You missed the OTHER thread. I too think a -K engine would really wake up w/7000rpm redline. More so then the MEVI 4th gens. and even FWD VQ35s, since we are PULLING at redline vs. holding power or diving. Some say the -K has peaked at redline, but I say it's the damn A/F ratio going off the chart.

I'm not really wanting advanced timing, since I got 91-CRAPtane gas. However, just the rev-limiter bump and solid A/F ratio would be worth every penny IMO.

 

ok if thats the case then why doesn't TQ do the same thing.
on 96 ECU they had really great results.
Same ECU in Turbo Maxima / STe Eibach Max made crap power because of a lot of bypassing.
I think creating a model of the JWT ECU would be really helpful since TQ seemed to crack the bit of our ECU and supposedly the reason JWT doesn't have an ECU for ours is because of the bit change between the years (16->32 bit I believe).
Doing something like this you don't need to program the curves through software. I can imagine that this would be a bigger market for people that really don't know much about tuning.
This would give alot more power from our cars and also allow for bigger injectors which is what alot of us are looking for.
Getting the Tuning right is a pain.. can it be done.. yes.. but alot of us don't have the time
This is just my .02 but I think it is a big thing that probably should be discussed and maybe thought about.

 

If you want to run bigger injectors and don't mind splicing, go eManage(piggy-back).

If you want 7100 redline and plug-n-play, go TechnoSquare.

If you want both 7100 redline and bigger injectors, run both.

Standalones are the PITA to build maps for. The eManage shouldn't need more then a wide-band 02 and several dyno runs if you know what you're doing.

 

I understand that exactly.. and that is my point.
There are too many people that:
1. Don't have the extra money to keep tuning out the car
2. Don't have the time to keep tuning out the car.

Its not that they don't love the car but people have jobs.. that might keep them away from home for 14 hours a day. Seeing it as that... when they get time to enjoy their car or get mods completed on their car.. they want them quick and they want them "safe".. something preconfigured and tested settings over and over again removes the problem of just stupid human error on their part of possibly their mechanic (if they have someone else do the work for them).
See it as that it would be nice to have something like the JWT that allows for a 7100 redline and bigger injectors and bypass FMU.

This setup can be built but the market for it needs to be proven. If companies don't see sales in it then yes it won't be done. If we prove that there are many people that would love a "JWT like ECU" then maybe we can justify a company actually doing it (ie.. same thing your doing trying to get TQ to do this one". Problem with this.. is it doesn't cover everything you would still need e-Manage...
All in one setup is the best practice if we can push a market demand for it.

 

im in i just need to find out if i need another ecu. Because i want the stock one incase the programmed one goes wrong

 

Any new info about the ecu from TC. And when it comes out, will it have a warranty.!!!!!!!!

 

Hey guys,

Thanks for the patience, Ice and I are working with TC right now on some issues, regarding the test ECU's. I'll be talking with Ice and our guy at TC later today and I should have more info for you all. Sorry about the delay again guys.

-D

 

All I have to say is that Regime has gone ABOVE AND BEYOND for you guys. He's currently been withOUT his Max for 6wks. PLUS due to delays and "technical" difficulties AND spent his own $$$.

I can NOT express the great appreciation I have for members like him, who are willing to do WHATEVER it takes to make something like this happen. He truely makes this place what it is and I think you guys need to make sure and give him the props he deserves.

Regime

 

Regime and IceY2K1 for there work. Hope this all turns out for the best.

 

Ok guys,
Looks like we are just waiting for the Programmer over at TS to finish up the program to handle the ECU and Immobilizer code. And some other "small issues". When that is done, we will be sending in a test car for the initial baseline tune.
It Looks as though we are very getting close to an actual Tuned ECU for our neglected segment of the market.

You guys will be the first to hear any updates on the progress that Ice or I hear from TS, so keep an eye on this thread.

-D

 

Who the fock is TC?























Sounds promising! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

 

We have a STOCK '01 5spd test-car in the area, but we also need a STOCK '01 auto test-car. This *MAY* require a few days(not necessarily at once) and several dyno runs to get the baseline built.

As soon as those are completed, we'll need BOTH a '00 Cali 5spd and auto to simply stop by and see if the ECUs are Plug-N-Play between the Cali-spec '00-'01, ie no dyno required.

Then we'll have to work on getting SPARE ECUs from the '00 Fed 5spd and auto off to Techtom of Japan.

 

I'll see if I can find the other thread.

I don't see why some would think hp peaked at redline. If you look at my dyno graphs (I'll dig them up) there is no way that is peak hp. The curve just stops - it never flattens out or decreases.

EVEN IF hp peaks/decreases past redline, the bump is still very worthwhile because you would then be able to shift in a fashion that keeps revs closer to peak than we can now. As it is, I think a redline shift brings rpms back to around 5500. I'd bet you'd see a couple of tenths EVEN IF HP peaked at redline.

I think from the wideband 02 runs done early on my car there was no indication that the car was leaning out at redline - is there a reason to think we'd run too lean above current redline? Obviously, we wouldn't want the computer pulling timing, though, if that does happen.

In any event, I think technosquare could use this simple change to make some money. If the rev limiter parameter is the same for all ecus - couldn't they just take the programming from each ecu sent to them and then reflash with the changed rev limiter parameter?

By the way, thanks for all the work you guys are putting in.

 

Don't bother....it was part of this thread and when I split it, the server fuked up and lost it.

I originally thought we were still pulling at redline, but I was corrected that we've leveled off. I too see this as advantageous for an extended redline, since it equals MORE area under the curve and should help on the bottom of 3rd in the 1/4 with the extra RPM carrying over from 1st/2nd.

No concern of running lean...just pig rich. I'm 95% sure, we have 350Z 295cc injectors, which are PLENTY if you bump the base fuel pressure with an adjustable FPR IF NEEDED.

It's not a simple change, but the latest word from TS is that they are working on finishing a program that allows them to modify our ECU source code, since it's different then the VQ35s. Sounds like they are still moving ahead.

 

Ice - How were you corrected? It is clear that max hp on my dynos is at redline - not sure how anyone could tell that we've leveled off.

 

As are mine.

 

Here's one:


Russ's leveled off from 6000->6400:


Also, I believe the dyno I have is your dyno of 3-Max's by Spec R Tuning in Tampa, FL?


Pretty much every dyno I've seen. Could have missed a few though.

 

Yeah, those appear to be leveling off! The ones you have from me I think are three maxes - and I think all were stock.

I thought the curve on my max with mods peaked more - but when I looked at it, it is higher but not much different.

Either way, I think the same analysis still applies regarding being able to use the hp at redline: you can't fully utilize the peak hp unless you extend redline. Also, there is no way to know what those curves do after redline - they may extend out at their peak numbers for a while.

 

IIRC...two were Cali and one was Fed or had heavy rims. I thought you all had mods to get ~190whp, but I could be wrong.

Mods seem to make the -K peak higher and later(closer to redline) IMO, which would make a higher rev-limit even more necessary to eek out all she's got.

Agree....it's kind of like SC cars that produce peak boost/power at redline, so they must stay as close to redline as possible for max performance.

For NAs we should keep extending the redline until power starts to drop off.

 

Two were fed (one mine) and one was Cali with aftermarket wheels. I know the two feds were stock (since mine never dyno'd less).


Absolutely. In fact, with all of the mods I've done there has been almost no change below the VIAS switchover. All of the additional power comes after the switchover.


Actually, as long as the motor can handle it, we can still benefit by extending the redline EVEN IF power is dropping somewhat so we can stay in the sweet spot when shifting.

I think all this analysis really shows that we would benefit from Just the increased rev limiter. That might be an easier change for technosquare to make than to attempt to change fuel maps, etc on various different ECUs. This could really be where they could make some money. I'd pay them the 600 Just for the raised rev limiter - I think it would add more than changing to cattman's headers (750). And I could dyno it for them.

 

I don't know pricing IF this ever happens, but I *DOUBT* they'd charge anywhere near that ESPECIALLY considering the VQ35s are $495 for the whole enchilada.

 

So we could be looking at $495 if this happens. I been holding on to this money waiting. I want this so bad. IceY2K1 and Regime are the 2 making the gaint leap for maxima mankind.

 

Count me in too. and a BIG thanks to Regime and IceY2K1 for their time in getting this done.

baltomax2001

2001 Cali 5-speed

 

i am so ready for the upgrade. damnit i do not want to spend money on shock when i could have more power

 

With this upgrade would an auto shift at 7100rpm all the time without manually shifting?

 

No, it will shift like normal. Only will shift at 7100 when manual shifting. Car do's pull harder and smoother.

 

so when i floor it with the shifter in D it will shift at 6000rpm like it always has, but if the shifter is in 1 the

 

oops...continued...rev limiter is 7100?

 

When do you guys think this ECU willbe available to us
VQ30 owners ? If the ECU become available for 495$, I guess that's one deal I wouldn't wanna miss.

Cheers

AA

 

It will be awhile before I can get money to buy one, but you can count me in within a few months

 

Is this project stalled or in TS back burner limbo? itching for news

 

Yeah, I'd like to hear an update. THis is definately the thing to do. My car gets out of warranty in a few thousand, so it's fair game for just about anything!

 

Is this still a go?

 

Yeah talking about all the different ecus for the 99. I thought what the heck why not search for an ecu for a 1996. Smaller list but still several different models. So is a 99 really that hard since it has different ecu models..........they did the 1996 and it has several different models as well. Sigh..I will not give up hope on a 99 ecu........

Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), thru 10/95, AT, GLE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), thru 10/95, AT, GXE, w/power driver's seat
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), thru 10/95, AT, SE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), from 11/95, AT, GLE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), from 11/95, AT, GXE, w/power driver's seat
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), from 11/95, AT, SE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), thru 10/95, MT, GXE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), from 11/95, MT, GXE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), thru 10/95, MT, SE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), from 11/95, MT, SE
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), thru 10/95, AT, GXE, w/o power driver's seat
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (under center of dash), from 11/95, AT, GXE, w/o power driver's seat

But anywho I'm in for updates on the 2k1 as well.

 

Sorry Guys,
Been out of town for the last week or so. Right now TS is still waiting for the programmer (in Japan) to get the tuning app to them so they can start testing on the 5sp ECU.
This project is still very much alive and we will hopefully get some more news soon.

Thanks for the patience,
-Daniel

 

Does anyone has a contact with Technosquare ? I'm wondering if this will go thrue, at first I though 600$ is a too much money but when you think adding a turbo it make more sense ( I would prefer pay 495$ ), just flashing a new fuel map in the stock ECU would save money and time, for bonus no rev limiter and maybe speed governor removal.

Keep us in the loop.

Cheers

AA

 

i am supposedly the 5spd tester near technosquare here in socal. although I haven't received any updates yet

 

Like I said, TS is still waiting for thier programmer to finish the Tuning App.
Ice2k and myself have been in contact with TS throughout. We will both make sure to let you guys know as soon as we get any info on this project.

Hold in there Larrio, we are all waiting for an update from TS.

 

i'm waiting patiently.

i just had a question for ice awhile back about the A.E. 5spd ECU. I was talking to a nissan master tech about it and he said that the A.E. ECU has a different part number and fuel maps than other 5th gens. I wondered if this would pose a problem later on down the line with TS and the reflash.

 

Hey Regime, sorry I saw your post after I wrote mine, there was like 2 minutes in between, anyway thank you for the update, since I'll be turboing my max this year this thread is quite important for me.

Cheers

AA