They adjust the timing map, fuel map, and TPS mapping, rev limiter, top speed, etc...

Base timing is not part of the timing maps, nor does it matter (right after you press the gas, base timing is out the window) thats why people feel the "power" when they get the timing bumped up...it just takes fractionally less time to jump to the correct point on the timing map.

 

yea mike's told me a hundred times he was the test car. i'm just reiterating what TS said, i mean before anyone plops down money shouldn't we all know what they claim about their own products?

 

Hey Arnold,

Which dealership in NY you went to. I am very interested in getting this done. Thanks!

 

i went by the dealership today and talked with the service manage and he said he would do it but it would knock pretty bad, then he said the knock sensor would retad it back futher then it was, he said, 02-03 maxima customers complain all the time, about how they hear a knock and recommended not to do it, opinions please.

 

Most people don't change their oil or use the correct octane or change their plugs.

I would not do this mod unless your car is in excellent running shape.

 

Had my timing advanced to 17 degrees yesterday. Wow the throttle response is so much better. I went in to Nissan at 4:30 pm went to the sales desk to buy a gallon of OEM coolant to do a flush & figured while I was there I would ask one of the guys to do it. He was done for the day & walking out Asked him to do it I slipped him $20 he looked down said I will be right back & did it in less then 5 min right at the curb in front of the place . I told him while he was doing it that others said they were having a hard time getting the dealership to do it & he said hey $20 bucks is $20 bucks. I recommend this to any one. Best $20 bucks spent in a long time. P.S Gallon of OEM coolant was $19.95 what a rip off.

 

Is there any speculation that advancing the base timing with the consult-II will erase the programming from Technosquare?

This is my only concern as of now since it wouldn't be feasible for me to lose the TS programming in exchange for a bump in base timing

 

Good info!

Will try my next time i am at the stealership

 

I doubt it will change the info from technosquare..
I work for Mitsbishi/Porsche. Today I went into the Nissan bulding and had a chance to observe how the consult works. First I had my ecu/tcm updated then I had the timing bumped. It's got to be one of the most user friendly user tools I've ever seen. She hooked the consult up to the computer uploaded the update info onto the program card. Reflashed my ecu/tcm, then she bumped my timing. She wasn't sure how, so I jumped online and copy/pasted the first thread into notepad and printed it for her. The reflash card isn't even in the consult while timing is bumped so in theory it would be impossible for it to change any other rom settings. The ecu/tcm reflash takes about 20-25 minutes to completely upload into the rom once the process is started. So a full hour or 8/10 isn't to bad. The timing change automatically saves in seconds.. $5 + if her friends need Mitsu reflash I owe her one for the whole thing. I did defiently notice a drastic difference in throttle response. Power gain is very minimal, but the split second it used to take to downshift and take off after you floor it has all but disappeared. Thanks for the write up.

EDIT: since I did the ecu update and timing both at the same time, I can't say for sure that the timing bump was fully responsible for the throttle response.

 

nissan tech. told me because my my car's throwing a code (haven't welded in my o2 bung after header install) he was unable to advance my timing. I think he's full of sh*t, throwing a code and advancing my timing is two seperate issues am i right or wrong?

 

bump.......

 

Some are picky and wont because of the SES light.

My dealer did though, even with it on.

 

Advancing your timing more than a degree or two and you're asking for trouble. It's more of a throttle response thing than anything else, I personally wouldn't do it.

Obviously advancing/retarding your timing has it's merits with a lot of NA goodies/forced induction, but for simple bolt ons I think it's a waste.

 

i woder how will a guy look at me when a 17yr old kid asks him to do this....lol.....He'll prbly be like "kid, go home and watch disney chanell lol" hahahhahaha
but yeah i'll slip him some money, I hope they do it, i'll visit my Nissan dealer 2morrow.....
huso

 

no, youre still in gear so you still do the same rpm after idle as you would before the timing was advanced.

 

how much did it run you at the dealership to get it done?

 

don't ask the "dealer" to do it....go find a tech out back of the dealership smoking a cigarette and slip him some cash to do it. The service managers will NOT do it for you....find a tech, bring him the instructions at the beginnning of this thread, and he'll be happy to make $30-40 cash for 5 minutes of work.[/quote]


I'm with Irish. Why do ya'll go to the desk and ask for it to be done? The tech out back smoking-wants your 20 bucks. That is either more, or really close to their flat-rate pay...the dealer/manager doesn't want that kinda crap on the books. TROUBLE. Work smarter, not harder people. Save them duckets! The 60 bucks you just saved will fill your tank with super.

 

Got mines done by a fellow TMEC/ORG member It was put to 16 I noticed improvements like:

Throttle response
Gas mileage

 

I'm with Irish. Why do ya'll go to the desk and ask for it to be done? The tech out back smoking-wants your 20 bucks. That is either more, or really close to their flat-rate pay...the dealer/manager doesn't want that kinda crap on the books. TROUBLE. Work smarter, not harder people. Save them duckets! The 60 bucks you just saved will fill your tank with super.[/QUOTE]


check the last post date before yours boss..

 

did a lil searching and now i want to get this done to my car...but anyone do this in chicago...need a tech? because i have mid city like 3 blocks away and need to go get a gas cap...and dont want to hang outside the back smoking a cigartte all day

 

Help,
My service engine light came on in my 02 max, a guy i work with checked the code and it came back ignition timing advancing too fast, any reccomendations?

 

What was the actual code?

 

Hey fellas, wondering if there is any way to tell if the car is stock at 13 or 15??? And if it is at 13, would bumping all the way up to 17 be ill-advised?

 

Have it verified using a Consult or any other OBDII reading / logging software (i.e. Cipher /AE, etc)

 

I just went to the dealer to get the advancement done, they said sure we can do it no prob, but they want to charge me $83 to do a 5 min job........... am i getting boned ? i did not do it yet.

 

sounds like it...I'm gonna start poking around CT dealers to see if I can find a tech who will take $30 in his pocket for a <5min job

 

when u find one in ct.. PM me and let me know.. im in the southington area

 

consult 2 is not going to let us know what are timing is? I want to do this with my next oil change. I know all the "back" tech guys well. I gave the kid 20-30$ to install my RASB in 20-30 minutes. I'll just pretend I'm looking at something while we look at the first page her on iPhone. I currently have a 5.5 6spd getting 25.8 MPG. Also have only used 91+ octane. I just want to know if the stock 5.5 6spd is 13 or 15 stock.

Looking forward to some decent gains.. BTW I'm all stock no bolt one or anything... This still ok to do?

 

Your car should be 15. Some may be as low as 12 because of misfires etc. causing the ecu to retard the timing.
Just got mine done yesterday and I highly recommend it. You can change gears at even lower rpm with the improved throttle response.

I'm stock except for the GAB mod, and these 2 mods are awesome for fuel economy and a little butt dyno for your daily driver, just run premium

 

Who told you that lie?

If any of you have an Z33 friends or know anyone with a Cipher or AE, they can do it too.

 

So if someone is stock 13 or even 12, is it only safe to go up 2 degrees from stock? Or can you still go to 17?

 

No one told me that, from reading that is what it sounded like because why wouldnt someone just figured that out on consult 2. It seemed like someone was unsure if they were able to find out their normal degrees on the consult 2. I'm going to go down to the local dealership today and see if I can give someone a quick $20 to do this.

I just see the misfire talk and people asking about if its safe and what not. Like mannetti said above if someones stock degrees is 12 or 13 would it be safe to bump it to 17? I'm assuming no because 12 or 13 seems to be "pinging" or "knocking" already from a misfire or what have you, if the stock should be normally set at 15 on the 5.5 6spd.

 

Stock spec is 15 +/- 5º. My Cipher adjusts up to 17º, even if it's @ 12º, so yeah, you're fine @ 17.

 

whats the reason for the variation among stock maximas?

 

The old myth states that Maximas sold in higher altitudes were pulled back a bit due to the altitude affect.

 

I'm at the dealership now... Been waiting hour +. Talked to one of the guys and he said he'd call me...I told him it only took a few minutes...showed him this write up. Where and what gears(6spd here) will I noticed the slight change? FTR I'm at 25.8 MPG.

 

Just got it done. I payed 30$ to the tech jeff he was cool grabbed his number and talked. If your in Florida and would like to do this PM me. I'll give you his number. I'll keep updating with progress.

BTW he showed me that I was at -1 and he was telling me that he would go up to 17*.
I got to get some NGK plats now..

 

Instead of trying to feel it, see how it feels on your own (i.e. what gear, etc.)

25.8 actual or on the readout?

If you could find someone w/ a Cipher, it would be free..

 

TBH I could of stiffed him because he was bored and felt like he wanted to do something. He was actually real cool about it and informational. (which a service tech should be) He actually wants to get a 5.5 with a stick.

I actually did feel a pull in third when hitting the gas a little it kinda jumped that 5whp that everyone has talked about. I know it didnt jump a little like that before. Meaning jump I think I was at 3200 RPM and then it the gas and not only did it respond it jumped up to about 3450 ish. Weather that makes sense or not I have no idea but so far so good.

25.8 is underneath the miles on the odometer, whatever that number is is what I have. I guess that would be the readout?

 

Its been just about a week now. I do feel a better acceleration as well as my MPG reads 26.0. Before I'd fluciate between 25.7-25.8. Never above 25.8.

Definately a MUST do.