I have never seen a comparison on the SAME car to suggest that.

 

anyone have pics of the Gen 2 Cattman headers? I'd like to see what they look like compared to the HS ones

 

ask brian catts

speaking of asking brian catts...him and john from HS should have a little comparo shootout hahaha

 

I'm pretty sure both headers come within a few whp of each other....Jimmycapp did 232whp with HS and fezzik's did 235whp on cattmans....I can't think of any other #s off the top of my head...but I know majority of them dyno within a few hp from each other...

Remember, this is comparing Gen1 versus HS....the Gen2 seem to dyno on the low side compared to Gen1 & HS

 

cattman gen 1 vs gen 2 1st pic
HS 2nd pic

HS design looks better than both of cattmans imo...

all pics shamefully stolen off the web

 

I agreee

 

Sure, they are shiny. But I prefer power. Besides, im going to wrap my gen2's in thermal wrap soon anyhoo.... cool that engine bay down some.

 

i thought cattman headers already came with a special coating/material that helps keep heat inside the tubing?

 

It looks like the runners are longer on the HS.
The Gen1 catmans rust and crack.

 

runners are longer, the collector on the gen 1 looks like crap also. I think the new gen2s are S/S. ****, they better be for 1000.

 

I made 33whp with no tuning on my HS

 

Gen 1 did, 2 does not. HS always have

 

What gains could one realistically expect from these headers without exhaust work?

 

Those aren't the same HS headers that I have installed several sets of. It appears they've made some changes to them.I wonder if they actually fit correctly now. My money is still on the CM headers for power though.

 

Headers alone with stock catback...probably 18-20 whp

 

what fitament issues did the older HS ones have? E55AMG2, you have any fitament issues?

 

Sounds good, thanx E55AMG2

 

Mine went on with no issues, but I dont think i got a set from the first batch.

 

mr new mexico is making 233whp auto right? and harmbone is doing similar numbers in his 6spd w/ hotshot... there's a lot of numbers out there just gotta look for yourself. i'm interested to see what nmex is gonna pull after tuning...but for the most part gains appear very similar

 

well, we can agree that they are within a few hp of each other, people have to justify if the extra $$ is worth it.

and, like i have read here, all header equipt cars need an SAFC-II to tune. people have gotten some nice #'s with them..

 

DO NOT wrap your headers. I spoke with Brian Catts about this and he said that since these gen 2 headers are stainless, they don't need to be wraped. In fact, because of the excessive heat generated by wrapping them, any warrenty would be voided. The heat extra heat could damage the headers.

 

I thought bout wrapping my HS headers, but in reality I never seen any gains from doing so on my SE-R so I left them alone. Plus early HS headers (back like over 10 years ago) used to crack on welds around the colector merger, and I do not wanna by changing mine out do to any cracking if that was to happen.

New HS headers look like the tubing is smaller diameter, flanges are thicker at the primarys, and finish is alot brighter- plus they added a little HS badge on the primaries. I think I got a pic of my HS headers un-installed somewhere. I will try to post it. I wonder if all the fitment issues associated with installing HS' on a 3.0L have been worked out....

 

wow i really like the flanges on the HS a lot more than the cattman. it just seems to be a quality product

 

I think everyone wrapped their SE-R headers back then, only to learn that it was a terrible idea.

 

Bling does not make Horsepower. Do you want bling or do you want power?

 

we realize that...but alot of members on this forum produce great #s with both cattman gen1 & hotshots....they are both very comparable in terms of gains

so now its a matter of paying for a pair of BLING good hp header....and a pair of "not so bling" good hp header

 

Apparently not everyone does. Many people here are mesmerized by shiny trinkets.

 

lol cmon now...i know the flanges have nothign to do with the gaining of power, but i mention it only because price has been a topic that's almost always thrown around when comparing these headers... my point was if the design isn't a night/day difference and the flanges are uglier and probably cheaper on the cattmangz...where does the extra money go? i know HS is all in-house, and i totally support Brian Catts but the only thing that seems to be giving him any business at this point is any lingering fear (and most non header owners are stricken by this!) about HS units not fitting right..

 

Not really, because Whazzzzup recently installed his new Hotshots and I believe he said they fit with no issues. I think the "fear" is really that the Gen II headers were supposed to give an additional 10 whp under the curve over the Gen I headers, which were already supposed to yield a better power curve than the Hotshots. Rich's curve with these Gen IIs is below Jimmycapp's (Hotshots) at every point, but Rich is running much leaner at every point as well, so I don't think that's a good ndication at all. I'll leave comments on that to the people who know more about that stuff.

 

The flanges on the HS are the cheaper and thinner ones. Good luck with that exhaust leak at the collector flanges and cat.

 

A/F tune will be coming my way shortly. I would love to get my hands on it right now, but I have been going crazy on mods lately.... and cash flow is not as good as I would like!

 

here's a dumb question, looking at ordering a UPD, and 2nd Gen Headers, a
But Where would you get a SAFCII? How much you looking to spend?

I already get Intake, Straight pipe, colder plugs, (Possibally Nitrous later, Headers first)

When I done I hopping to get close to the 350-400 range, that would make me happy.

 

400 would be hard without a turbo, I doubt you want to push a 100 shot of nitrous through that engine if you want to maintain any longevity.

 

Don't get the SAFC-II. Get the VAFC-II instead.

 

Que? Why is this?

 

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hlight=VAFC-II

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hlight=VAFC-II

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hlight=VAFC-II

 

question why would you need a VAFCII when thats a VTEC AFC? is the VIAS in the 5th gen suppose their fancy name for "VTEC" or thats just acura's fance name for vias,

how hard are they to tune?

 

5th gen VIAS is NOT VTEC....

VTEC has to do with the camshafts

VIAS has to do with the intake manifold

 

And the VAFC allows finer tuning. (a/f)

 

Will most dyno/racing know how to tune these guys?