cattman 3 inch catback vs. exhaust cut-out
09-06-2010 | 06:35 PM
#122
somebody saying something that makes sense, lol 800 headers plus 800 catback = turbo set up that will blast that exhaust setup car away even at 6 psi
09-06-2010 | 06:46 PM
#123
It's not that simple. A turbo set up (assuming no ridiculous crackhead hookup prices) would run WAY more than that. And that's just the bits and pieces (forget the custom forward feedpipe, downpipe, charge piping, etc.) and that doesn't even INCLUDE electronics (necessary to keep a VQ from exploding in most cases)
And you'd need a 3" exhaust (or cut-out) to avoid choking out the turbo. Ever seen someone pick up boost by upgrading the exhaust? Your EGTs will skyrocket even on 6psi on a stock exhaust.
And you can't even pick up a used OG Stillen SCer kit for much less than $2,000.
09-06-2010 | 06:47 PM
#124
Ehhhhh...
It's not that simple. A turbo set up (assuming no ridiculous crackhead hookup prices) would run WAY more than that. And that's just the bits and pieces (forget the custom forward feedpipe, downpipe, charge piping, etc.) and that doesn't even INCLUDE electronics (necessary to keep a VQ from exploding in most cases)
And you'd need a 3" exhaust (or cut-out) to avoid choking out the turbo. Ever seen someone pick up boost by upgrading the exhaust? Your EGTs will skyrocket even on 6psi on a stock exhaust.
And you can't even pick up a used OG Stillen SCer kit for much less than $2,000.
It's not that simple. A turbo set up (assuming no ridiculous crackhead hookup prices) would run WAY more than that. And that's just the bits and pieces (forget the custom forward feedpipe, downpipe, charge piping, etc.) and that doesn't even INCLUDE electronics (necessary to keep a VQ from exploding in most cases)
And you'd need a 3" exhaust (or cut-out) to avoid choking out the turbo. Ever seen someone pick up boost by upgrading the exhaust? Your EGTs will skyrocket even on 6psi on a stock exhaust.
And you can't even pick up a used OG Stillen SCer kit for much less than $2,000.
09-06-2010 | 06:56 PM
#127
maybe i should have those wack signatures stating all the cars i have had and currently have so suckas dont make uninformed statements , i think i have seen and driven more boosted maximas/altimas then anyone on this forum. i may be wrong...
see your building a turbo setup, gl, check the dyno thread you may see me , i have dyno sheets from 2000 hahaha and no i didnt pay 7k for someone to put my car together
Last edited by aic96max; 09-06-2010 at 07:03 PM.
09-06-2010 | 07:00 PM
#129
haha well, if you say so im just not a sucka dropping 2k into a car for 30 whp FAIL... ill leave it at that..and this...
maybe i should have those wack signatures stating all the cars i have had and currently have so suckas dont make uninformed statements , i think i have seen and driven more boosted maximas/altimas then anyone on this forum. i may be wrong...
maybe i should have those wack signatures stating all the cars i have had and currently have so suckas dont make uninformed statements , i think i have seen and driven more boosted maximas/altimas then anyone on this forum. i may be wrong...
Well what your stating doesnt make any sense. Custom, or kit, there is nothing for under $2000.. Used/new/ect.
And if you want a good setup, actually no, a badazz setup, then $2000 is a joke.
09-06-2010 | 07:10 PM
#130
all those mods you listed, get you what??? 245 on the dyno?? was the intake in therse? bc id imagine its going to be a 250 dollar name brand intake too right, lol
no need to get offended, no everybody can put make a custom mount, order pipes and weld a feedpipe, downpipe, and im talking used parts, used or new, a basic, even a rear mount setup, talk to streetzlegend, can get you boosted with 2k in the bank, spanking your 2k na 3.5, of course a bad *** set up cost more, but we are talking about a budget build, vs a pricey na 2k ecu,headers, catback, build. not talking gt35, powder coated piping, stand alone ecu, custom inatke manifold stupid sick turbo set up, only other better bang for the buck is nitrous, but it runs out
09-06-2010 | 07:19 PM
#131
we are not arguing a badassss 450 whp setup, we are arguing, 2k na, vs 2k boost, is not a contest,
all those mods you listed, get you what??? 245 on the dyno?? was the intake in therse? bc id imagine its going to be a 250 dollar name brand intake too right, lol
no need to get offended, no everybody can put make a custom mount, order pipes and weld a feedpipe, downpipe, and im talking used parts, used or new, a basic, even a rear mount setup, talk to streetzlegend, can get you boosted with 2k in the bank, spanking your 2k na 3.5, of course a bad *** set up cost more, but we are talking about a budget build, vs a pricey na 2k ecu,headers, catback, build. not talking gt35, powder coated piping, stand alone ecu, custom inatke manifold stupid sick turbo set up, only other better bang for the buck is nitrous, but it runs out
all those mods you listed, get you what??? 245 on the dyno?? was the intake in therse? bc id imagine its going to be a 250 dollar name brand intake too right, lol
no need to get offended, no everybody can put make a custom mount, order pipes and weld a feedpipe, downpipe, and im talking used parts, used or new, a basic, even a rear mount setup, talk to streetzlegend, can get you boosted with 2k in the bank, spanking your 2k na 3.5, of course a bad *** set up cost more, but we are talking about a budget build, vs a pricey na 2k ecu,headers, catback, build. not talking gt35, powder coated piping, stand alone ecu, custom inatke manifold stupid sick turbo set up, only other better bang for the buck is nitrous, but it runs out
All Im saying, $2000 is a joke to make a boost project. Moncef is right.
Im doing a boost build, I know $2000 wount get you anywhere.
09-06-2010 | 07:52 PM
#132
no need to get offended, no everybody can put make a custom mount, order pipes and weld a feedpipe, downpipe, and im talking used parts, used or new, a basic, even a rear mount setup, talk to streetzlegend, can get you boosted with 2k in the bank, spanking your 2k na 3.5, of course a bad *** set up cost more, but we are talking about a budget build, vs a pricey na 2k ecu,headers, catback, build. not talking gt35, powder coated piping, stand alone ecu, custom inatke manifold stupid sick turbo set up, only other better bang for the buck is nitrous, but it runs out
Drop 2,000 on a boostkit and have a stock exhaust
good idea here...And nearly anyone here can put headers/3" exhaust on a car. You're talking about spending $400 more and then bending, welding, and cutting your own pipes to make a turbo kit for $2k?
And then not having anything to tune it with?
Boost your car for less than two stacks and drive it everyday.
09-06-2010 | 08:16 PM
#133
Nobody's offended here
Drop 2,000 on a boostkit and have a stock exhaust good idea here...
And nearly anyone here can put headers/3" exhaust on a car. You're talking about spending $400 more and then bending, welding, and cutting your own pipes to make a turbo kit for $2k? And then not having anything to tune it with?
Boost your car for less than two stacks and drive it everyday.
Drop 2,000 on a boostkit and have a stock exhaust
good idea here...And nearly anyone here can put headers/3" exhaust on a car. You're talking about spending $400 more and then bending, welding, and cutting your own pipes to make a turbo kit for $2k?
And then not having anything to tune it with? Boost your car for less than two stacks and drive it everyday.i did, and it drove for years... and im talking initial kit. please... like 440s and a vafc will be enough for a basic 6 psi kit which will put the 3.5 over the 300s.. 2k may not get some people anywhere , but it gets others plenty. depends where you get your parts, luck, and time. I got for my current build, all my fittings, and lines minus the -10 weldon bung for the oil return, for what you would pay for 2 new aeroquip fittings , but i search the diff forums for deals. descent 450 whp turbos are on sale for 300-350 on other forums all the time, i got my tial wastegate with flanges used for 89 bucks shipped, find a descent truck yard and you find real garrett intercoolers cheap, then cut them and use the cores to fit your build, or buy an ebay cooler for cheap if you want a not so quality shiny one, vafc =120, 440s=250, you can make 340 reliably with used quality parts if you take the time and with a little luck, but if you want to use a brand new 700whp t70 precision and pay 1100 for the turbo, it wont happen, aint like you will use it to its potential anyhow..im done... already got a former sc max turboed with less than 2000 wideband and all which he didnt have, precision gt32,tial 44mm wastegate, powder coated reverse feedpipe, downpipe, driven everyday...
having a cutout, id aggree, it sits too low, if you dont mind the full time noise, 3 inch is the way to go. even though i got my cutout for 80 bucks, dc motor switch for 10, and welded it all together for 75 bucks, which imo is verfy good pricing, if the car didnt have a greddy sp2 on prior to me getting the car, and i had to buy a caback, id go 3inch, even a 3inch ypipe, done at a custom shop stainless that knows what they are doing.
Last edited by aic96max; 09-06-2010 at 08:19 PM.
09-06-2010 | 08:54 PM
#134
09-06-2010 | 09:14 PM
#135
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i remember years ago when the new Z28 was being released with the all new (at the time) LS1; GMHTP (GM high tech performance) was the only magazine able to get a BONE STOCK Z28 to clip a 12.9 in the 1/4.
all other magazines tried to replicate those numbers but could'nt. some out right called BS!
turned out GMHTP went to MD to get those times. the track conditions were approx a 300ft DA and temps were in the high 50's with the tarmac around 70 degreees. perfect receipe for good 1/4 times.
Last edited by 5 ltr. beater; 09-06-2010 at 09:17 PM.
09-06-2010 | 09:25 PM
#136
i remember years ago when the new Z28 was being released with the all new (at the time) LS1; GMHTP (GM high tech performance) was the only magazine able to get a BONE STOCK Z28 to clip a 12.9 in the 1/4.
all other magazines tried to replicate those numbers but could'nt. some out right called BS!
turned out GMHTP went to MD to get those times. the track conditions were approx a 300ft DA and temps were in the high 50's with the tarmac around 70 degreees. perfect receipe for good 1/4 times.
all other magazines tried to replicate those numbers but could'nt. some out right called BS!
turned out GMHTP went to MD to get those times. the track conditions were approx a 300ft DA and temps were in the high 50's with the tarmac around 70 degreees. perfect receipe for good 1/4 times.
09-06-2010 | 09:31 PM
#138
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yeah i give you guys credit. 
tracks out here in CA are so so. kinda like a roll of the dice. the street legals are in a few weeks though; ill see what my max does in the 1/4 for the first time since ive owned it.
tracks out here in CA are so so. kinda like a roll of the dice. the street legals are in a few weeks though; ill see what my max does in the 1/4 for the first time since ive owned it.
09-06-2010 | 09:42 PM
#139
- NEW Cattman headers + Cattman 3"
- = $1600
- USED turbo and associated parts
- = $2,000
You can buy new parts anytime, like you said, a $2000 boost build is mostly waiting for the right deal.
With enough luck, people have picked up HotShot headers (just as good as Cattmans) for half of what they sold for. With enough luck, you can get a mandrel bent 3" exhaust for less than $750.
There's no doubt that a boosted setup will make more power than N/A, but the point I'm driving across here is you can't do a $2,000 turbo build tomorrow.
Last edited by MoncefA33; 09-06-2010 at 09:45 PM.
09-06-2010 | 09:50 PM
#140
09-06-2010 | 10:57 PM
#143
No it's not scavenging effectively.....so the exhaust doesn't have the velocity to suck the intake(during valve overlap near TDC of the exhaust stroke leading into the intake stroke) into the cylinders the way it does with a full exhaust system.....it's able to provide a more powerful scavenging wave signal....with the velocity of the hot gases.....when the exhaust exits out the dump valve the entire signal is lost or signifiiciantly reduce causing a weaker, less responsive engine @ low/part throttle operation! But @ WOT it's has less resistance and works pretty well @ making more hp.....back on topic!
09-06-2010 | 11:00 PM
#144
Stop right there. So...
With enough luck, people have picked up HotShot headers (just as good as Cattmans) for half of what they sold for. With enough luck, you can get a mandrel bent 3" exhaust for less than $750.
There's no doubt that a boosted setup will make more power than N/A, but the point I'm driving across here is you can't do a $2,000 turbo build tomorrow.
- NEW Cattman headers + Cattman 3"
- = $1600
- USED turbo and associated parts
- = $2,000
With enough luck, people have picked up HotShot headers (just as good as Cattmans) for half of what they sold for. With enough luck, you can get a mandrel bent 3" exhaust for less than $750.
There's no doubt that a boosted setup will make more power than N/A, but the point I'm driving across here is you can't do a $2,000 turbo build tomorrow.
09-07-2010 | 04:19 AM
#145
Dude exhaust shop have been around forever, cattman ain't the only person who knows how to make an exhaust you know... the man make good ish but c'mon now, cars have been rolling with 3" forever, and yes there is shops that can do a 3" catback for waaay less than cattman and still sound decent........
09-07-2010 | 07:33 AM
#146
This turbo talk is funny.
Sorry mike and moncef, but I gotta disagree with you guys on this one. The boosted 3.5 max we got down here did it with about $1700 total invested including the emanage and buying another turbo because the first one was blown.
I could have been boosted for well under $2k easilly too by the way. I still can actually. Should I give up my all motor dreams and go boost to show you guys?
But thats not what this thread is about so, back on topic please.
Sorry mike and moncef, but I gotta disagree with you guys on this one. The boosted 3.5 max we got down here did it with about $1700 total invested including the emanage and buying another turbo because the first one was blown.
I could have been boosted for well under $2k easilly too by the way. I still can actually. Should I give up my all motor dreams and go boost to show you guys?
But thats not what this thread is about so, back on topic please.
09-07-2010 | 10:18 AM
#147
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From: Fontana, CA
09-07-2010 | 01:49 PM
#148
Dude exhaust shop have been around forever, cattman ain't the only person who knows how to make an exhaust you know... the man make good ish but c'mon now, cars have been rolling with 3" forever, and yes there is shops that can do a 3" catback for waaay less than cattman and still sound decent........
09-07-2010 | 02:23 PM
#149
Then what that fuuuck are you doing buying a Cattman.....? Duh we know exhaust shops have been here way b4 you, me, my parents, etc....my point is if it's so easy to find someone that's gonna give you this perfect setup....made from SS with flanges and gaskets, resonator and muffler for less than $800....why did you stand in line yourself too get a Cattman? Or are you just jacking your jaws as usual? For what I have from Cattman and custom shops in which I've seen their product....Cattman's is a good bang for MY BUCK....and I'm only speaking for myself and my wallet!!!!
09-07-2010 | 03:16 PM
#156
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09-07-2010 | 04:24 PM
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