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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 07:19 PM
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Need Some Help - Crank Pulley

So I'm replacing my crankshaft pulley, because mine was getting wobbly. I've already got the old crank pulley off using the breaker bar and quick start method. I've got the new crank pulley sitting where it's supposed to go, but I just realized I have no idea how I'll install and torque the crank pulley bolt for the new pulley.

I don't have an impact gun, unfortunately. I do have a torque wrench. I've been searching through the forums about it, and the best thing I can find so far is here - https://maxima.org/forums/4th-genera...lley-bolt.html. There's some information in this thread, but I'm not getting it. There's something about putting the car in 5th gear and holding the brakes, but I'm not sure what that is about. I've tried looking through the FSM, but I can't find anything related to installing the bolt for the crank pulley.

I just need some help figuring out how to keep the pulley in place while I torque down the bolt. Which in the other thread the torque specs mentioned was 29-36 ft-lbs, but it would be nice to have that verified too.

Any help is appreciated!
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 07:38 PM
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Hey friend, check this out. http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/Maxima/2000/em.pdf

This section of the service manual might help you. I searched around a bit, and it's got some info here.

EDIT...
I did some more reading - had time. On page 32 for the timing chain replacement instructions, step 30, it says,

"30. Install crankshaft pulley to crankshaft.
+ Lubricate thread and seat surface of the bolt with new
engine oil.
a. Tighten to 39 to 49 N·m (4.0 to 5.0 kg-m, 29 to 36 ft-lb).
b. Put a paint mark on the crankshaft pulley.
c. Again tighten by turning 60° to 66°, about the angle from one
hexagon bolt head corner to another."

I'm no expert, but this is what I found.

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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 07:57 PM
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Ah, thanks for the info! I'm a little mad at myself for not thinking of how to do this step before I actually started the job haha.

Truth be told I'm still fairly confused. I'm trying to think of a way to hold the pulley in place while I tighten the bolt (step a). All I can think of so far is trying to find a big wrench to wedge in between the pulley and the lower control arm, or something like that. I have a harmonic balancer install kit, but I don't think I need that. . ?

The whole putting a mark on the pulley and then turning it further has me pretty confused too. Is the reasoning behind that to torque the bolt much more than the torque wrench can provide?

Sorry, I may be overthinking this quite badly.
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 09:34 PM
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It's all good. I don't have the ability to do much advanced DIY stuff like this, but I still look through the FSMs to see how repairs are done when I read about other people's stuff or my own work when I take my car in.

As far as I've read, getting the thing off to begin with is the hard part. It seems you need to get a large wrench to hold the crankshaft pulley still and lodge it somewhere to keep the whole thing from moving as you torque the bolt down. There are some tools out there too that I found could be used for this.

Seems like in the other thread about the crankshaft pulley removal, they were using some braking method to tighten the pulley, but I think the safest bet would be to try to wedge something to keep it still. This video shows a method for getting it off, though I don't believe it can be used in reverse...
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Again, I'm no expert. Good luck with the replacement though!

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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 11:32 PM
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You take the access panel off the transmission to wedge something in to keep the engine from turning.

I think it's two bolts maybe just one, for a very small opening in the bottom the the bellhousing. Maybe 1"x3".
It faces the passenger side and is located right by where the engine and trans meet.

There are a few ways to do it, but that's the most common that I know of.

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Old Feb 15, 2015 | 02:59 PM
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I got the bolt back on and I'm pretty positive it's going to stay torqued on there well. I'm seriously considering doing a write-up for this job, because it's been a decent PITA to try and figure out what all is going on. There's some info here on the org, but not enough. I found that the FSM was a little too vague as well. Pics to come.
Old Feb 15, 2015 | 03:01 PM
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Hmmmm apparently I can't post attachments. So I'm not sure if I'll be able to share the pics of the old pulley and the new one.
Old Feb 15, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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Use a photo host like photobucket.
Old Feb 15, 2015 | 03:24 PM
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Nevermind, I uploaded the files to imgur.

Here we have the old crank pulley. If you look closely at the bottom edge, you can see that the rubber was beginning to split apart, causing said wobbles mentioned earlier.

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Here's the new Dorman crank pulley, purchased on RockAuto for $96, installed with new Gates' drive belts. Feels good man.

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So far the engine is still making the whining noise that it was before replacing the pulley. I think I may have the drive belts too tight. . and yes, I know that deflection on the new belts is around 7 mm for the power steering belt and around 4 mm for the alternator/AC/tensioner belt. However, the wobble from the crank pulley is gone. I'm going to loosen the belts a little and see if the whine leaves.


And for anyone who's interested, I ended up not jamming the flywheel using the access hole for the transmission, although I did find that access hole. I discovered that the FSM actually advises this way of keeping the engine from turning, but they don't take into account that it's impossible to fit a screwdriver into the access hole without removing a gigantic exhaust pipe in the way that's somehow missing from their illustration.

What I ended up doing was hand tightening the crank pulley bolt, followed by attaching and tightening the drive belts. I figured the drive belts attached and tightened would add a little friction to keep the crank pulley from turning. Probably a negligible amount of friction, but I digress. I had a friend sit in the driver's seat, put the car in 5th gear, and keep his foot down on the brakes. This created a situation in which the engine would need massive amounts of torque to actually turn. And so, I was able to use my torque wrench to give the bolt the necessary torque, followed by torquing the bolt a further 60 degrees as described in the FSM. If anyone wishes for me to expand on any of that, I will gladly do so. The torque I had to put on the bolt was massive to get it to turn that extra 60 degrees, and I'm pretty sure that bolt isn't going anywhere.

Anyways, now it's on to troubleshooting engine whine. . I may take a video.
Old Feb 15, 2015 | 05:24 PM
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I'd be falling apart if I was in such a oily enviroment...Clean your engine and find your leak/leaks....
Old Feb 15, 2015 | 06:39 PM
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There aren't any oil leaks, believe it or not. There is a small coolant leak, but I think it's just a hose clamp that needs to be replaced. Believe me, I hate how dirty this engine is. You should see the engine bay, it's absolutely filthy. I just bought the car used, and it looks as if the previous owner didn't clean the engine bay, ever. As soon as it gets a little warmer (it was a high of 7 degrees F today) I'm gonna give this baby's engine a deep clean and get her looking like she's been properly looked after. Trust me, the dirtiness bothers me too.

I should post a picture of the engine bay of my previous car. I kept that engine bay squeaky clean.
Old Feb 15, 2015 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by theherdmaster

I should post a picture of the engine bay of my previous car. I kept that engine bay squeaky clean.
Don't bother..... just post before amd after pics of this one once it's clean
Old Feb 16, 2015 | 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nestorlugo
Don't bother..... just post before and after pics of this one once it's clean
Lol don't worry I wasn't serious about posting pictures of that car. However, I'm definitely planning on doing a before/after post of how nice and clean I'm going to get the Nissan looking. I'm probably going to dedicate an entire Saturday to it, considering there are so many nooks and crannies in the engine.
Old Feb 16, 2015 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by theherdmaster

Lol don't worry I wasn't serious about posting pictures of that car. However, I'm definitely planning on doing a before/after post of how nice and clean I'm going to get the Nissan looking. I'm probably going to dedicate an entire Saturday to it, considering there are so many nooks and crannies in the engine.
Lol...ok for inspirational purposes check out pics from the engine bay of CS_AR max he set the bar sky high with his cleanliness.... borderline full blown OCD
Old Feb 16, 2015 | 03:46 PM
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Lol...ok for inspirational purposes check out pics from the engine bay of CS_AR max he set the bar sky high with his cleanliness.... borderline full blown OCD
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Nevermind, I uploaded the files to imgur.

Here we have the old crank pulley. If you look closely at the bottom edge, you can see that the rubber was beginning to split apart, causing said wobbles mentioned earlier.



Here's the new Dorman crank pulley, purchased on RockAuto for $96, installed with new Gates' drive belts. Feels good man.



So far the engine is still making the whining noise that it was before replacing the pulley. I think I may have the drive belts too tight. . and yes, I know that deflection on the new belts is around 7 mm for the power steering belt and around 4 mm for the alternator/AC/tensioner belt. However, the wobble from the crank pulley is gone. I'm going to loosen the belts a little and see if the whine leaves.


And for anyone who's interested, I ended up not jamming the flywheel using the access hole for the transmission, although I did find that access hole. I discovered that the FSM actually advises this way of keeping the engine from turning, but they don't take into account that it's impossible to fit a screwdriver into the access hole without removing a gigantic exhaust pipe in the way that's somehow missing from their illustration.

What I ended up doing was hand tightening the crank pulley bolt, followed by attaching and tightening the drive belts. I figured the drive belts attached and tightened would add a little friction to keep the crank pulley from turning. Probably a negligible amount of friction, but I digress. I had a friend sit in the driver's seat, put the car in 5th gear, and keep his foot down on the brakes. This created a situation in which the engine would need massive amounts of torque to actually turn. And so, I was able to use my torque wrench to give the bolt the necessary torque, followed by torquing the bolt a further 60 degrees as described in the FSM. If anyone wishes for me to expand on any of that, I will gladly do so. The torque I had to put on the bolt was massive to get it to turn that extra 60 degrees, and I'm pretty sure that bolt isn't going anywhere.

Anyways, now it's on to troubleshooting engine whine. . I may take a video.

You mentioned a whining noise, it might be your AC compressor whining, is your splash shield still there to prevent water hitting the compressor and alternator and crank pulley? If not than water will continuously hit the AC comp and the noise will get louder and rust out the compressor bearing,
Old Feb 16, 2015 | 09:57 PM
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I'll check out CS_AR Max's engine bay cleaning sometime soon!
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You mentioned a whining noise, it might be your AC compressor whining, is your splash shield still there to prevent water hitting the compressor and alternator and crank pulley? If not than water will continuously hit the AC comp and the noise will get louder and rust out the compressor bearing,
I do still have the splash shield, and it's been re-attached. I just didn't have it attached when I took the photo. Thanks for the offered advice though! I double checked the deflection on both drive belts and they are within spec. So the search continues for where the whine is coming from. Although I suppose it should be noticed that the whine isn't as audible now with the new crank pulley.
Old Feb 16, 2015 | 11:20 PM
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Glad you got this worked out. Good pictures too!

You're not alone with a dirty engine. I clean mine sometimes, but I could use a deeper clean when I get a chance to go to a self serve.
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Lol...ok for inspirational purposes check out pics from the engine bay of CS_AR max he set the bar sky high with his cleanliness.... borderline full blown OCD
Well I hate to burst your bubble.. But I let it enjoy all the dirt and grime the road has to offer a daily driver. Ha!


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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CS_AR

Well I hate to burst your bubble.. But I let it enjoy all the dirt and grime the road has to offer a daily driver. Ha!
You can just dust that right off!

Surely you have before and after road grime pics lol?
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You can just dust that right off! Surely you have before and after road grime pics lol?
That's as bad as it gets is during the oil change.
Pretty sure he soaks the engine in carb cleaner every 4,000 miles though, so the real time to catch it dirty is at 3,999~but I think he does that secretly on jack stands.

He may or may not use extra virgin expeller pressed organic synthetic oils too..not sure yet..
Old Feb 17, 2015 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotozic
Glad you got this worked out. Good pictures too!

You're not alone with a dirty engine. I clean mine sometimes, but I could use a deeper clean when I get a chance to go to a self serve.
Thanks Cotozic! I'm pretty happy with the end result. This was one of the more challenging fixes I've done. I can't wait til it's warmer so I can give my engine a deep clean.

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Well I hate to burst your bubble.. But I let it enjoy all the dirt and grime the road has to offer a daily driver. Ha!
CS_AR, I looked for pics of your engine bay cleaning in your pics on your garage but couldn't find any. Are there pics on a thread?



And in case anyone is interested, I figured out where the whine is coming from. It's the power steering pump. There's something wrong with the pump itself, even though there aren't any leaks and the power steering levels are good. I might just wait until this summer to replace the pump. It seems like it's going to be really difficult to get to considering where it is in the engine.
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CS_AR has the scrubbing bubbles.

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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fakie J Farkerton
CS_AR has the scrubbing bubbles.
Hot damn. So freaking clean. Looks cleaner than the day it left the factory.
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Hot damn. So freaking clean. Looks cleaner than the day it left the factory.
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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nestorlugo


Lol


The only part I'm actually worried about when I clean the engine bay is the wiring. Some of the electrical tape around the wire looms is all kinds of cracked/old/peeling off. So I guess I'll just be gentle and possibly add some electrical tape here and there.
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