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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 05:40 AM
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Here is another short assembly line video.

Old Apr 28, 2015 | 08:22 AM
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12 minute 2016 Maxima Video

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Old Apr 28, 2015 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by boondoxmax
Ford and GM are automakers who tinkered with CVT but now are focusing on 7-9 speed transmission because consumer feed back wasn't positive. From what I've read NOT every automaker is interested in CVT technology. Nissan loves it and that's fine, but its not going to be the only transmission available in future cars. As far as the 7th gen CVT goes I would hardly call it very reliable. There are lots of post on CVT problems and if you go to Edmunds.com there are plenty more over there complaining out CVT failures on the 7th gen...The new Altima came out after the 7th gen and consumer reports states a 20% failure rate of the CVT in that car.
How true, despite what some think all car makers are not going to CVT and its not even in the books or realm of thoughts for many automakers. Automakers are making better and better traditional auto's as the CVT is getting better as well.
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by boondoxmax
I've driven a few cars with them and I do not like it. Also pretty much every automobile journalist will tell you cvt transmissions and the word sports sedan don't go together. Even Honda is smart enough to use a traditional automatic transmission on there v6 accord and dump the cvt on the 4cyl models only....Come on Nissan
I agree, I mentioned this an earlier post!
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 04:50 PM
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You have now asked twice why, if the CVT is so good, are other carmakers still sticking with the automatic?

The answer is, THEY ARE NOT.

Gradually, other carmakers are moving their automobile lines to CVTs. BUT THIS CAN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, because most of these other automakers are behind in CVT development. Toyota, in particular, got caught with their pants down with the CVT, and are trying to catch up by working with other carmakers who are ahead of them in CVT development.

Those here (and there are several), who 'drove a CVT and didn't like it' remind me of certain automakers in the early 1950s, whos techs drove those early automatics, and didn't like them, so lallygagged with manuals, and went out of business. Yes, those early automatics were bad. I know because I drove them. But I knew at the time that automatics were absolutely the future of trannies. And they were.

I'm quite sure none of the 'CVT protesters' here have driven the 8th gen Maxima. They probably are not even aware the 8th gen was delayed because Nissan wanted the CVT to be right. The were not going to release the new Maxima with the troublesome CVT that hurt the Altima. Also remember that the CVT in the 7th gen Maxima has an excellent reliability record. I had a few months where it took me some experimenting before I felt I was driving the CVT correctly (just mashing the pedal is NOT the way to drive a CVT), but, once I felt acclimated, I have grown to love it. Not the first whisper of a problem in almost seven years.
CVT, DCT, or Auto, they are all the same to me. I don't care which one it is, as long as it is fast, efficient and reliable. Nissan is very good with their CVT and it will continue to improve with each generation. I feel it is better than a lot of the autos out there, so I have no problem with Nissan leaving the auto transmission behind. Some carmakers will stick with autos as they are to far behind in the CVT world to try and catch up. Nissan will continue to be the best as they putting more money and r&d into perfecting the CVT, which will only make it more awesome.
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
How true, despite what some think all car makers are not going to CVT and its not even in the books or realm of thoughts for many automakers. Automakers are making better and better traditional auto's as the CVT is getting better as well.
But traditional autos are climbing into 10 & 11 speeds. Damn thing is going to shift so much, might as well be a CVT.
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Well, we clearly have those here who are not CVT fans. I was among that group at one time. But actually driving one for the last 6 1/2 years changed my mind. I have not had the first whisper of trouble from my CVT powered Maxima, and it is a pleasure to drive. Stomp the pedal and the tranny instantly has the engine at high RPMs and the car is rolling. In fact, if I stomp the pedal at around 35 or 40 MPH to pass on a narrow road, this car gets to 80 quicker than any car I have ever driven, and I have been driving since the 1940s and have had a few cars with very large engines.

But there is MUCH more to this new CVT in the 2016 Maxima than we have in the 7th gen CVT. The redesign removed most of the friction the 7th gen CVT endured. Acceleration is brisker on takeoff, and does not drop off at 85 MPH, which were two notable things with the 7th gen CVT. The glitch that hurt the Altima has been fixed.The Nissan driver/tech who is taking one of these 2016 Maximas from dealer to dealer told me he immediately noticed the improvement, and regularly gets MPGs ABOVE 30 on the freeway. He said he got 34.7 on one 200 mile freeway trip. And this is in a 3550 pound car with 300 HP.

I think I will stay in the third millenium, but will miss my friends who choose to stay in the second millenium.

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Originally Posted by R1600Turbo
But traditional autos are climbing into 10 & 11 speeds. Damn thing is going to shift so much, might as well be a CVT.
They are but its more efficient which is a sign of the times, good thing is we have choices are not not stuck to traditional autos, DCT's or CVT's
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Well, we clearly have those here who are not CVT fans. I was among that group at one time. But actually driving one for the last 6 1/2 years changed my mind. I have not had the first whisper of trouble from my CVT powered Maxima, and it is a pleasure to drive. Stomp the pedal and the tranny instantly has the engine at high RPMs and the car is rolling. In fact, if I stomp the pedal at around 35 or 40 MPH to pass on a narrow road, this car gets to 80 quicker than any car I have ever driven, and I have been driving since the 1940s and have had a few cars with very large engines.

But there is MUCH more to this new CVT in the 2016 Maxima than we have in the 7th gen CVT. The redesign removed most of the friction the 7th gen CVT endured. Acceleration is brisker on takeoff, and does not drop off at 85 MPH, which were two notable things with the 7th gen CVT. The glitch that hurt the Altima has been fixed.The Nissan driver/tech who is taking one of these 2016 Maximas from dealer to dealer told me he immediately noticed the improvement, and regularly gets MPGs ABOVE 30 on the freeway. He said he got 34.7 on one 200 mile freeway trip. And this is in a 3550 pound car with 300 HP.

I think I will stay in the third millenium, but will miss my friends who choose to stay in the second millenium.
We should all agree to disagree, your friends will be in the same millennium you are with the modern traditional automatics of the day if they choose to go that route....
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MONTE 01&97 SE
We should all agree to disagree, your friends will be in the same millennium you are with the modern traditional automatics of the day if they choose to go that route....
You are, of course, correct. I believe the CVT is the tranny of the future, but the reality is that there has been a surge in improvement of automatics in recent years, as non-CVT oriented manufacturers are working to keep up with the CVT fuel efficiency. There is nothing wrong with most of today's automatics.
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 09:17 AM
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Some of you guys miss the point, the arguments on efficiency, improved gas mileage, quick shifting, etc. are all just one side of the story, the other side of the story is that a lot of drivers out there still want to have the feeling of being able to the control their own cars, so what if I cannot shift manually as quick as auto, DTC or CVT, so what if I sacrifice little bit fuel economy by shifting myself? I just want to have the choice, for those who want to have the car make every decision for you, go ahead opt what ever you like, auto, CVT, electric steering, adapted cruise control, lane departure assistance, auto stop/start, fake exhaust sounds, etc., or Google car that drives you.

To me, this has nothing to do with living in last millennium or next millennium, I just want a reliable car that is good looking, have decent performance and fuel economy but most importantly, I have the control of the car, not the computer.

Sadly, the trend is to take away the driving pleasure from the drivers, put more and more useless electronic features you don't care but will mess you up good down the road, the car drivers you, and drivers are becoming dumber.
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lightonthehill
You are, of course, correct. I believe the CVT is the tranny of the future, but the reality is that there has been a surge in improvement of automatics in recent years, as non-CVT oriented manufacturers are working to keep up with the CVT fuel efficiency. There is nothing wrong with most of today's automatics.
Totally agree, nothing wrong with the new Autos coming out, but they seem to be going more and more gears, that will just be more hunting for the right gear all the time. I feel that CVT will continue to be technologically more advanced and more fun to drive, as Nissan is putting a good chunk of money into improving and perfecting the CVT.
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 01:00 PM
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Some of you guys miss the point, the arguments on efficiency, improved gas mileage, quick shifting, etc. are all just one side of the story, the other side of the story is that a lot of drivers out there still want to have the feeling of being able to the control their own cars, so what if I cannot shift manually as quick as auto, DTC or CVT, so what if I sacrifice little bit fuel economy by shifting myself? I just want to have the choice, for those who want to have the car make every decision for you, go ahead opt what ever you like, auto, CVT, electric steering, adapted cruise control, lane departure assistance, auto stop/start, fake exhaust sounds, etc., or Google car that drives you.

To me, this has nothing to do with living in last millennium or next millennium, I just want a reliable car that is good looking, have decent performance and fuel economy but most importantly, I have the control of the car, not the computer.

Sadly, the trend is to take away the driving pleasure from the drivers, put more and more useless electronic features you don't care but will mess you up good down the road, the car drivers you, and drivers are becoming dumber.
Yep, the trend is sad. I drove only manuals during the 1940s, and was still driving a manual Datsun in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But gridlock traffic took the fun away. And Nissan continued to give us manual Maximas for eight years after dealers began to refuse accepting them from Nissan because they couldn't sell them. The lack of a manual Maxima is not Nissan's fault; it is the public's fault. And yet the public had good reasons to leave the manual - gridlock took away the fun, and automatics became more fuel efficient.

Manuals are now for those fortunate few who still live in an area where driving/shifting can still be fun.
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Originally Posted by theWalkinator
Some of you guys miss the point, the arguments on efficiency, improved gas mileage, quick shifting, etc. are all just one side of the story, the other side of the story is that a lot of drivers out there still want to have the feeling of being able to the control their own cars, so what if I cannot shift manually as quick as auto, DTC or CVT, so what if I sacrifice little bit fuel economy by shifting myself? I just want to have the choice, for those who want to have the car make every decision for you, go ahead opt what ever you like, auto, CVT, electric steering, adapted cruise control, lane departure assistance, auto stop/start, fake exhaust sounds, etc., or Google car that drives you.

To me, this has nothing to do with living in last millennium or next millennium, I just want a reliable car that is good looking, have decent performance and fuel economy but most importantly, I have the control of the car, not the computer.

Sadly, the trend is to take away the driving pleasure from the drivers, put more and more useless electronic features you don't care but will mess you up good down the road, the car drivers you, and drivers are becoming dumber.
I agree, and when stuff starts to go wrong with all of this new "tech" stuff they are putting in these cars now......good luck in the service dept!
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 06:20 PM
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I agree, and when stuff starts to go wrong with all of this new "tech" stuff they are putting in these cars now......good luck in the service dept!
MONTE - With the CVT, we may have moved past the service department. Unless the problem can be fixed without opening up the CVT, I suspect the 'fix' will be to send the problematic CVT back to Nissan and just slap in a new CVT. And with there now being eight computers in this 8th gen Maxima, Nissan is going to need to furnish dealer service departments with some very comprehensive diagnostic tools, which they will need to train srvice techs to use. There are three separate antennas associated with the intelligent key and there are hidden radar antennas and at least four cameras all around the car. A computer translates those views to an 'above' view and synchronizes them to create a view from above the car.

When I worked in the engine compartment in the 1950s, and dropped a wrench, it fell straight to the pavement below. In the 1980s, that wrench would clunk around awhile and come to rest on something in the engine compartment, and we would reach and twist until we found it. Now, there isn't much under the hood we can work on with a wrench, and if we did drop a wrench, it would simply lay there on top of an unending morass of strange stuff that fills the compartment to the brim.

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MONTE - With the CVT, we may have moved past the service department. Unless the problem can be fixed without opening up the CVT, I suspect the 'fix' will be to send the problematic CVT back to Nissan and just slap in a new CVT. And with there now being eight computers in this 8th gen Maxima, Nissan is going to need to furnish dealer service departments with some very comprehensive diagnostic tools, which they will need to train srvice techs to use. There are three separate antennas associated with the intelligent key and there are hidden radar antennas and at least four cameras all around the car. A computer translates those views to an 'above' view and synchronizes them to create a view from above the car.

When I worked in the engine compartment in the 1950s, and dropped a wrench, it fell straight to the pavement below. In the 1980s, that wrench would clunk around awhile and come to rest on something in the engine compartment, and we would reach and twist until we found it. Now, there isn't much under the hood we can work on with a wrench, and if we did drop a wrench, it would simply lay there on top of an unending morass of strange stuff that fills the compartment to the brim.
Mr Light I'm not referring to a CVT in this case, I was referring to the last paragraph in the walkinators post "Sadly, the trend is to take away the driving pleasure from the drivers, put more and more useless electronic features you don't care but will mess you up good down the road, the car drivers you, and drivers are becoming dumber. "
Old May 1, 2015 | 01:23 AM
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Mr Light I'm not referring to a CVT in this case, I was referring to the last paragraph in the walkinators post "Sadly, the trend is to take away the driving pleasure from the drivers, put more and more useless electronic features you don't care but will mess you up good down the road, the car drivers you, and drivers are becoming dumber. "
Well, whichever you were referring to, the reality is pretty much the same. Gradually increasing fuel efficiency requirements are forcing manufacturers to leave manuals and five speed automatics behind. This is getting bad now, but will be worse when engine power is further restricted in order to meet higher MPG demands. Roads increasingly jammed with slow traffic are taking much of the driving fun away, even for those who still have a manual tranny.

But if we think things are bad now, the removal of fun from driving is only beginning. The county I live in has offered itself as the testing and proving ground for automated cars that drive themselves. It will seem strange to simply get into the car, program the trip, then swivel the driver seat in order to play cards with the other folks in the car while the computer takes us to our destination.

I don't think I would be amiss by saying the adventure of the open road will eventually be something only our grandfathers will remember.

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Old May 1, 2015 | 09:38 AM
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I don't think I would be amiss by saying the adventure of the open road will eventually be something only our grandfathers will remember.
Only for people that buy new cars or choose to purchase a self-driving car. I doubt they will ban normal cars from ever driving on the roads.
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they will ban normal cars... self driving cars will make road driving safer than flying... accidents due to human error will not exist. that is just one benefit that is alone worth banning normal cars. there are many benefits... I can see certain small towns or maybe a slow lane for manual driving cars. Enthusiasts will fight against it but the benefits are too great.
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they will ban normal cars... self driving cars will make road driving safer than flying... accidents due to human error will not exist. that is just one benefit that is alone worth banning normal cars. there are many benefits... I can see certain small towns or maybe a slow lane for manual driving cars. Enthusiasts will fight against it but the benefits are too great.
I'm sure both of us will be long dead before that happens.
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I'm sure both of us will be long dead before that happens.
I can foresee the future. Yes, there will be a long period during which cars that require a driver will be fine. Then a period during which cars that require a driver also require expensive insurance and a special extra-cost tag. Then a period during which states, one by one, begin banning cars that require a driver. Of course this will take decades, but is inevitable.

But, as cars requiring drivers are gradually being 'removed' from public highways, entrepenures will begin opening 'driving parks', where we can go and drive cars that require a driver. Some will allow speeds over 100 MPH. If I'm still alive, I will be there. I would much rather do that than go to Disney World.
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But, as cars requiring drivers are gradually being 'removed' from public highways, entrepenures will begin opening 'driving parks', where we can go and drive cars that require a driver. Some will allow speeds over 100 MPH. If I'm still alive, I will be there. I would much rather do that than go to Disney World.
That's called a racetrack.
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That's called a racetrack.
Yeah, pretty much so.

I'm sure there will be the usual oval tracks, where speed is the primary factor, and also road tracks, which have hills and valleys and curves, etc. I think I will end up on the road tracks, as I like to wrap my mind around curves, hills, valleys, left and right turns and unexpected driving situations more than simply turning left all day long.

My son-in-law has raced Mazdas at Road Atlanta for over a dozen years. He has always had his own Miata set up for racing. His wife drives a 2015 Mazda 6, manual of course. His oldest daughter drove her own Miata for years, but now lives in downtown Hollywood and uses her husband's BMW (he works for Disney). My daughter actually bought her first Mazda (rotary engine RX-7 or something like that) way back in the 1970s, and has always liked Mazdas.

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Full Speed Ahead - 2016 Maxima Launch

Read this article at Automotive News

Nissan will cut weeks out of the amount of time it takes to bring the redesigned 2016 Maxima to full output on three factory work shifts.
Also increase in Maxima Production due to early dealer orders

Release early June 2015

http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...-maxima-launch


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Old May 6, 2015 | 03:15 AM
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Read this article at Automotive News

Nissan will cut weeks out of the amount of time it takes to bring the redesigned 2016 Maxima to full output on three factory work shifts.
Also increase in Maxima Production due to early dealer orders

Release early June 2015

http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...-maxima-launch


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Good pickup, Randy.

Best of all, those increased dealer orders came AFTER the dealers personally had a chance to test-drive the new Maxima, and were impressed to the point of asking for a greater number than they originally ordered.

And the article does indeed suggest dealers will have them on their lots to sell around this time next month.

Having no options on either the engine or tranny, and limiting the versions to five with no options, makes for a much smoother assembly line operation.

It will not be long now.
Old May 11, 2015 | 07:25 AM
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Nissan invented the Cvt over 20 years ago now. Not only Honda but Subaru is using them too, both rate very high on the reliability charts. In circa 2015 cvt's are good to go.
Really? Nissan invented the CVT? just 20 years ago? How about this: "Leonardo DaVinci sketched the first CVT in 1490 First patent for the CVT Transmission was made by Daimler & Benz in 1886."

Toyota and Subaru followed? How about this: "In the late 1980's Subaru launched a car called Justy in Tokyo with a continuously variable transmission which was electronically controlled which was made by Fuji heavy industries which owned Subaru back then. The justy was the first production car in USA to offer the CVT Transmission. Although the car didn't make much success Subaru continued to use the CVT Transmission."

IF you had said Nissan pretty much made the CVT common place, now that would've at least made sense: "In Early 1990's Nissan introduced CVT to their Nissan March which had the same principles as the Subaru Justy CVT Transmission. Nissan designed it's on CVT Transmission which was designed to handle more torque and also had a torque converter. In 2006 Nissan Designed a CVT Transmission to match their 3.5L V6 Engine that was mostly found on the Nissan altima. Nissan to date has the most success with CVT. "

quotes from: http://cvt-transmission.blogspot.com...t-for-cvt.html

Living in Europe in the late 60's into the early 70's there were a number of cars on the road with CVT. The one that I remember best was the DAF. We used to laugh at them because they seemed to be the worst drivers on the road.

Here is a list of cars using CVT, and I must say I was surprised.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_with_continuously_variable_transmissions
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Originally Posted by Ransx77
Really? Nissan invented the CVT? just 20 years ago? How about this: "Leonardo DaVinci sketched the first CVT in 1490 First patent for the CVT Transmission was made by Daimler & Benz in 1886."

Toyota and Subaru followed? How about this: "In the late 1980's Subaru launched a car called Justy in Tokyo with a continuously variable transmission which was electronically controlled which was made by Fuji heavy industries which owned Subaru back then. The justy was the first production car in USA to offer the CVT Transmission. Although the car didn't make much success Subaru continued to use the CVT Transmission."

IF you had said Nissan pretty much made the CVT common place, now that would've at least made sense: "In Early 1990's Nissan introduced CVT to their Nissan March which had the same principles as the Subaru Justy CVT Transmission. Nissan designed it's on CVT Transmission which was designed to handle more torque and also had a torque converter. In 2006 Nissan Designed a CVT Transmission to match their 3.5L V6 Engine that was mostly found on the Nissan altima. Nissan to date has the most success with CVT. "

quotes from: http://cvt-transmission.blogspot.com...t-for-cvt.html

Living in Europe in the late 60's into the early 70's there were a number of cars on the road with CVT. The one that I remember best was the DAF. We used to laugh at them because they seemed to be the worst drivers on the road.

Here is a list of cars using CVT, and I must say I was surprised.....

List of automobiles with continuously variable transmissions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Part of that blogspot you posted is also untrue. The 3.5L V6 was paired to the CVT at the introduction to the Nissan Murano for the 2003 model year (in 2002). The Murano has never had a transmission other than the CVT it's whole existence in the US.
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Yes, Nissan absolutely is going for fuel efficiency numbers over outright performance, because government fuel efficiency requirements continue to rise.
as long as an aftermarket fix comes along, this should not be a problem.
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as long as an aftermarket fix comes along, this should not be a problem.

This is your lucky day. In the case of the 2016 Maxima, the 'aftermarket fix' comes standard with the car. Simply push the 'SPORT' button and this car changes from a smooth, strong, comfortable, fuel-efficient freeway cruiser to a sporty, spirited snarling car that will be a lot of fun to drive.

Nissan really went all out on this 8th gen. Pushing that 'SPORT' button changes acceleration, sound, steering, and several other things. Anyone not impressed with the performance of this 8th gen Maxima is probably not really interested in a spirited, reliable sporty family sedan.

Nissan has done very fine work with this 8th gen, and I hope doubters here will at least give this car a test drive before before crossing it off their list.

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This is your lucky day. In the case of the 2016 Maxima, the 'aftermarket fix' comes standard with the car. Simply push the 'SPORT' button and this car changes from a smooth, strong, comfortable, fuel-efficient freeway cruiser to a sporty, spirited snarling car that will be a lot of fun to drive.

Nissan really went all out on this 8th gen. Pushing that 'SPORT' button changes acceleration, sound, steering, and several other things. Anyone not impressed with the performance of this 8th gen Maxima is probably not really interested in a spirited, reliable sporty family sedan.

Nissan has done very fine work with this 8th gen, and I hope doubters here will at least give this car a test drive before before crossing it off their list.
Agreed, Nissan hit a home run with the generation Maxima. It took a while for them to deliver, but they gave us an amazing car.
Old May 13, 2015 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NissanFreak2000
Agreed, Nissan hit a home run with the generation Maxima. It took a while for them to deliver, but they gave us an amazing car.
You are one of those here who has been very hopeful and optimistic on this car from the start, and you keep returning to check out the situation. Some others here here looked, said less than optimistic things, then left to head in another direction. Many of those will eventually see the car in person, read the good magazine reviews, and will reconsider, return here and rejoin us is reveling in this best Maxima yet. The excitement is just beginning to build here, and this will be a really fun board to visit by late summer.
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