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Anyone used these oil grades in their 8th gen? Especially for Summer?
I think you have opened a Pandora's box on this site. We shall see. :-) 5w30 or 5w40 is fine all year here in Ohio. 30w or 40w is preferred for summer, 5w for winter. 0w is okay too, although a tad bit too thin for my taste. If I were in northern climates such as New York, Maine, Canada, it would be the 0w30 or 40 for sure. Refer to your owner's manual for your low and high all-year temps and you will be fine.
Last edited by compyelc4; Aug 16, 2020 at 01:33 PM.
5w30 for winter through summer here in Ohio. 5w for cold weather is fine here and 0w is okay too, although a tad bit thin for my taste. If I were in northern climates such as New York, Maine, Canada, it would be the 0w for sure.
I was asking about the high number. 30 vs 40
I know 0w or 5w is mostly irrelevant unless temp is crazy cold, like less than -35F
I was asking about the high number. 30 vs 40
I know 0w or 5w is mostly irrelevant unless temp is crazy cold, like less than -35F
Short answer: 5w40 is my preference for my 8th Gen, '14 Malibu, C4 Corvette and C6 Corvette. Let's not forget Full Synthetic if you like to run longer oil change intervals.
I think you have opened a Pandora's box on this site. We shall see. :-) 5w30 or 5w40 is fine all year here in Ohio. 30w or 40w is preferred for summer, 5w for winter. 0w is okay too, although a tad bit too thin for my taste. If I were in northern climates such as New York, Maine, Canada, it would be the 0w30 or 40 for sure. Refer to your owner's manual for your low and high all-year temps and you will be fine.
From the Owners Manual page 10-2 Technical and consumer information:
• Genuine “Nissan Motor Oil 0W-20 SN (or equivalent) is recommended. If the above motor oil (or engine oil) is not available, a synthetic 0W-20 GF-5 SN motor oil (or engine oil) may be used. Damage caused by the use of motor oil (or engine oil) other than as recommended is not covered under NISSAN’s/INFINITI’s New Vehicle Limited Warranty. For additional information, refer to “Engine oil and oil filter recommendation” in this section.
No temperature chart given.
Page 10-6:
ENGINE OIL AND OIL FILTER RECOMMENDATIONS
Selecting the correct oil It is essential to choose the correct grade, quality and viscosity engine oil to ensure satisfactory engine life and performance. For additional information, refer to “Recommended fluids/lubricants and capacities” in this section. NISSAN recommends the use of an energy conserving oil in order to improve fuel economy.
Select only engine oils that meet the American Petroleum Institute (API) certification or International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee (ILSAC) certification and SAE viscosity standard. These oils have the API certification mark on the front of the container. Oils which do not have the specified quality label should not be used as they could cause engine damage.
Oil viscosity
The engine oil viscosity or thickness changes with temperature. Because of this, it is important to select the engine oil viscosity based on the temperatures at which the vehicle will be operated before the next oil change. Choosing an oil viscosity other than that recommended could cause serious engine damage.
Selecting the correct oil filter
Your new NISSAN vehicle is equipped with a high-quality Genuine NISSAN oil filter. When replacing, use a Genuine NISSAN oil filter or its equivalent for the reason described in “Change intervals.”
HA, I knew you would be checking in with the manual Rick. :-) Now I'm gonna be forced to walk out to the garage and find out which manuals show the charts. Maybe I was thinking of the Vette manuals, heck, maybe it was the freakin' lawnmower!, which I've been pouring over (no pun intended) recently. Still I stand by my 5w40 use.
Last edited by compyelc4; Aug 16, 2020 at 02:08 PM.
There's that chart! Thanks for going to the trouble @mahanddeem. Good man.
@mahanddeem neglected to mention that the chart he posted is for Mexico.
2016 Nissan Maxima FSM page MA-18 says FOR MEXICO : SAE Viscosity • 0W-20 is preferable., then MA-19 has the chart he posted of acceptable oil viscosities for Mexico.
Page MA-16 of the 2016 FSM has RECOMMENDED FLUIDS AND LUBRICANTS FOR USA AND CANADA: Fluids and Lubricants
• Genuine NISSAN engine oil or equivalent
• Engine oil with API Certification Mark*, SAE Viscosity 0W-20
• As an alternate to this recommended oil, SAE 5W-30 conventional petroleum oils may be used and meet all specifications and requirements necessary to maintain the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Last edited by RickSmith; Aug 17, 2020 at 08:40 AM.
@mahanddeem neglected to mention that the chart he posted is for Mexico.
2016 Nissan Maxima FSM page MA-18 says FOR MEXICO : SAE Viscosity • 0W-20 is preferable., then MA-19 has the chart he posted of acceptable oil viscosities for Mexico.
Page MA-16 of the 2016 FSM has RECOMMENDED FLUIDS AND LUBRICANTS FOR USA AND CANADA: Fluids and Lubricants
• Genuine NISSAN engine oil or equivalent
• Engine oil with API Certification Mark*, SAE Viscosity 0W-20
• As an alternate to this recommended oil, SAE 5W-30 conventional petroleum oils may be used and meet all specifications and requirements necessary to maintain the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
This chart is a general guidance for ambient temperature. It has nothing to do with Mexico. Oil requirement has nothing to do with politics.
All car manufacturers will eventually have you run water in engine instead of oil, to meet CAFE mpg requirements. They just care about the 1st 60k miles.
If you have the FSM read the section well. Same is for my 7th gen (except the fast of no mentioning of 0w20).
Link
https://www.my4dsc.com/nissan-info/factory-service-manuals-fsm/2016-nissan-maxima-factory-service-manual/
Last edited by mahanddeem; Aug 17, 2020 at 09:10 AM.
This chart is a general guidance for ambient temperature. It has nothing to do with Mexico. Oil requirement has nothing to do with politics.
All car manufacturers will eventually have you run water in engine instead of oil, to meet CAFE mpg requirements. They just care about the 1st 60k miles.
If you have the FSM read the section well. Same is for my 7th gen (except the fast of no mentioning of 0w20).
I don't want to have to say that you are wrong or incorrect.....but I am forced to say you are incorrect. It has everything to do with Mexico, as I quoted verbabim what the 2016 Nissan Maxima FSM says.
Here is a link to the Nissan FSM I quoted from. Your results will not vary.
I don't want to have to say that you are wrong or incorrect.....but I am forced to say you are incorrect. It has everything to do with Mexico, as I quoted verbabim what the 2016 Nissan Maxima FSM says.
Here is a link to the Nissan FSM I quoted from. Your results will not vary.
Man, that crow is hard to swallow. I gotta admit on here, and to the world, that I was full of crap when I said I feed my '17 Max 5w40. I humbly apologize. I feed that to my Vettes. To my Max I feed the book-recommended 0w20. As for the "Mexican" chart above, that range from below -22F to above 104F fits right in the range of recommended 0w20 (right here in Ohio), so as far a a Mexican chart I don't think it matters as mahanddeem stated. If I go with the Mexican chart recommendation of 0w20 will I do my engine harm unless I use the U.S./Canada chart that recommends the same 0w20? Maybe I don't understand your point about Mexico vs U.S./Canada oil viscosity recommendations, whether chart or just text. Whatever. Peace.
Man, that crow is hard to swallow. I gotta admit on here, and to the world, that I was full of crap when I said I feed my '17 Max 5w40. I humbly apologize. I feed that to my Vettes. To my Max I feed the book-recommended 0w20. As for the "Mexican" chart above, that range from below -22F to above 104F fits right in the range of recommended 0w20 (right here in Ohio), so as far a a Mexican chart I don't think it matters as mahanddeem stated. If I go with the Mexican chart recommendation of 0w20 will I do my engine harm unless I use the U.S./Canada chart that recommends the same 0w20? Maybe I don't understand your point about Mexico vs U.S./Canada oil viscosity recommendations, whether chart or just text. Whatever. Peace.
I am not expressing MY point, I am merely quoting the 2016 Nissan Maxima FSM, and quoting it correctly, as written by Nissan. Nissan has the point.
I don't have a dog in this fight. I know what viscosity of oil I use in our two 2016 Maximas, and I am satisified with my choice of oil.
Personally, since I am not making payments on anyone else's Maxima, and I am not responsible for maintenance on anyone's car but my own, I do not have an opinion if anyone wants to use any weight of oil of their choosing in their car. Their car, their oil, their decision.
I also don't have an opinion if someone wants to use another brand of CVT fluid, instead of the Nissan approved NS-3. Again their car, their fluid.
It's crazy how much time, energy, and research all of the Nissan engineers put into testing what the proper oil viscosity is for the VQ35DE motor with the internal updates they've made over the years, for someone to say "I'm just going to use 5w30." Like seriously?! LOL
Notwithstanding that I’m a 4th Gen (‘99) owner and meticulous maintainer for the past 21 years and have no experience with the 8th Gen., these debates re: choosing the proper motor oil typically fascinate me ... this debate being no exception ...
For those who apparently have strong perspectives and have quoted excerpts from the applicable owners manual(s), I have a question.
The appropriate use of a given motor oil viscosity is based on the environment (ambient temperature) in which the vehicle will be operated. That being the case, what’s the difference between an 87 deg./63% relative humidity day in Alberta Canada as opposed to an 87 deg./63% relative humidity day in Mexico City?
Notwithstanding that I’m a 4th Gen (‘99) owner and meticulous maintainer for the past 21 years and have no experience with the 8th Gen., these debates re: choosing the proper motor oil typically fascinate me ... this debate being no exception ...
For those who apparently have strong perspectives and have quoted excerpts from the applicable owners manual(s), I have a question.
The appropriate use of a given motor oil viscosity is based on the environment (ambient temperature) in which the vehicle will be operated. That being the case, what’s the difference between an 87 deg./63% relative humidity day in Alberta Canada as opposed to an 87 deg./63% relative humidity day in Mexico City?
That is a very good question. Your question would be a good one to ask of Nissan North America, Nissan Canada, and Nissan Mexico. You can look up contact information on the Internet, and probably send them an email asking that question.
However, if you look at the FSM, the same "0W-20" is what Nissan recommends for Mexico, USA, and Canada in the Gen8 Maxima.
I am not familiar with Canada and Mexico EPA (or equivalent) laws or consumer protection laws. That oil chart may or may not have something to do with laws in Mexico, or the availability of consumers to obtain certain viscosities of motor oil in all parts and regions of Mexico. For all I know Mexican oils are just a little different than SAE API oils we in the United Stated use. Again, I have never purchased or used motor oil refined in Mexico, so I am in no position to give my opinion on them.
I want to get through the winter without a oil change, even though I will probably not track 7k. That's my thinking. Is that subgrade necessary, want do u suggest in your experience?
Thanks.
I want to get through the winter without a oil change, even though I will probably not track 7k. That's my thinking. Is that subgrade necessary, want do u suggest in your experience?
Thanks.
it's your car, your money and your oil. Disclaimer: No one is responsible for any damage that might happen to your car. Use your judgement.
Manual "recommends" 0w20 for USA (2016+ Maximas) for best fuel mileage. I have a 7th gen and today changed my 2011 oil and used Mobil 1 0w40. Don't extended intervals beyond 5k miles that's for sure. Don't believe anyone who tells you so. That's for sure.
Honestly have no idea why people want to use different oils than what's reccomended. I used to come across this on the toyota forums when I had my toyotas. There is reasons auto makers reccomend certain oil. If people wanna try different oils and viscosity, try it in your lawn mower
There is reasons auto makers reccomend certain oil.
Certainly, the reason is the difference of 0.003 mpg per one car X 700,000 cars sold (for an example) = more flashy new car window sticker...to please the government.
Speaking of Toyota, how much of an engine difference you think there is between a USA Camry and an Australian Camry (same year and model)? One recommends 0w20 and the other's manual recommends everything from 10w30 to 20w50?
Last edited by mahanddeem; Oct 17, 2020 at 07:01 PM.
Certainly, the reason is the difference of 0.003 mpg per one car X 700,000 cars sold (for an example) = more flashy new car window sticker...to please the government.
Speaking of Toyota, how much of an engine difference you think there is between a USA Camry and an Australian Camry (same year and model)? One recommends 0w20 and the other's manual recommends everything from 10w30 to 20w50?
0.003 mpg per one car X 700,000 cars sold = 2100. Hell of a flash.
from what i have read, maybe not enough, the 0w-20 is more fluid at larger operating temperature range. meaning that it will flow better and quicker through tiny orifices, in cold or hot areas. so that you don't need to install an engine block heater, nor need to idle as long with cold engine starts. but thats my pov.
from what i have read, maybe not enough, the 0w-20 is more fluid at larger operating temperature range. meaning that it will flow better and quicker through tiny orifices, in cold or hot areas. so that you don't need to install an engine block heater, nor need to idle as long with cold engine starts. but thats my pov.
This backyard mechanic believes you are spot on there. Thanks for this information.
BTW, M1 5w30 has a density of 0.854 g/cm3 at 15c, while M1 0w40 density is 0.849 g/cm3 at same temp (per M1 product data sheet). So they will both flow through tiny orifices the same way.
