WHY is this not a sticky!?!
10-05-2006, 03:32 PM
#41
Originally Posted by Tatanko
Which reminds me, I ought to get some hose for that thing so I can attach it to the intake somewhere...
Curt, I apologize for missing that line. Think I just found LIM with injectors, rails, and clips for $130. Do I actually need those clips or what? I read another thread I think that was saying you didnt need the 5th clips? I think I read incorrectly. That was late last night....
10-05-2006, 05:26 PM
#42
Originally Posted by Curt
If I recall, that is what I wrote!
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Which "thing" are you talking about? lol
Anyone have any suggestions as to what I could use for a small nipple (same size as the one coming off the VIAS I just talked about) that I can put on my intake midpipe? Worst comes to worst, I'll take the one off my stock midpipe and use it, but I'd prefer not to touch my stock midpipe in case I ever decide to put it back on.
10-05-2006, 06:10 PM
#44
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Can't use reuse the stock tube even if you go back after? I thought your site said you needed a bigger nipple for the VIAS?
Do you know how small the nipple is on the front of the VIAS? Like, as tiny as they come. The only nipple that comes like that stock anywhere on the 4th gen is a little metal one sticking out of the stock intake midpipe, which would likely have to be drilled off. Sure, I could probably JB weld it back on if I ever felt like putting the stock midpipe back on, but I'd prefer to find another nipple/substitute before trying that idea.
10-05-2006, 06:54 PM
#46
Nice job with the maintenance, I'll check it out soon. Not sure about the nipples. I'm not sure what even has to be changed for them. I know it's on your website so I'll check again. I'm using all 5th gen stuff so I can replace the 4th stuff if need be. I'm wondering one thign tho....2001 I30 parts will work for the swap too correct?
10-05-2006, 07:20 PM
#49
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Awesome. Got a good deal going on then. So do I need the 5th gen clips? What exactly are they? I have a guess but I want to make sure haha
10-05-2006, 07:42 PM
#51
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Ok thats what I thought they were. Looked stupid even trying not too lol. Any pics of the plugs? I gotta see what needs to be soldered...
10-05-2006, 07:54 PM
#52
Hey do you know what the brackets Curt was talking about? I never heard that before so I'm wondering if they need to be fabricated to work in the 4th gen. I am using both 5th LIM & UIM so I would like to use those brackets for support.
10-06-2006, 03:41 AM
#53
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Hey do you know what the brackets Curt was talking about? I never heard that before so I'm wondering if they need to be fabricated to work in the 4th gen. I am using both 5th LIM & UIM so I would like to use those brackets for support.
Most swaps have chosen not to use any brackets for the sheer fact that it's a pain in the rear end sometimes as well as adds extra cost if you're going out and buying a set of 5th gen ones.
10-06-2006, 05:44 AM
#54
So will the 4th gen brackets do ok? Stronger bolts possibly? What's the recomendation, cause I never heard anyway say that before Curt. He knows what he's talking about so I want to take it into consideration.
10-06-2006, 07:33 AM
#55
I'm a little surprised people are having trouble with bolt holes stripping with unsupported 00VIs. I've not had that problem after several years of running unsupported. I suspect the problem is overtorqueing the bolts. Those 6 mm threads won't take a lot of bolt tension, but with the thick 00VI o-ring style manifold gasket you don't really need much. Just enough to compress the gasket.
Concerning the mismatch, it's about 1/16" to 3/32" sideways. I can make the ports match up exactly, but it requires some fancy and precise drilling. This post shows what I mean: http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...7&postcount=50 I used dowels for precise assembly location during install. Here's another pic: http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...6&postcount=57
Also, as much as I'd like to take credit for the 180 deg rotation idea, it was Tilley who first did that. As far as I know.
Concerning the mismatch, it's about 1/16" to 3/32" sideways. I can make the ports match up exactly, but it requires some fancy and precise drilling. This post shows what I mean: http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...7&postcount=50 I used dowels for precise assembly location during install. Here's another pic: http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...6&postcount=57
Also, as much as I'd like to take credit for the 180 deg rotation idea, it was Tilley who first did that. As far as I know.
10-06-2006, 07:42 AM
#57
I had a bolt strip on me using proper sequence and a torque wrench. Who knows, maybe I just had a bad bolt.
I didn't find it that much of a pain. But after seeing how the 00VI is mounted at the front and by the EGR at the back, I don't see a need to retain the brackets. The EGR guide tube will support the back end well enough. My 00VI has been on the car for over 1.5 years unsupported and I've had no problems whatsoever. Plus, those brackets weigh a couple lbs and to me it's just extra weight I don't need.
Originally Posted by Tatanko
Most swaps have chosen not to use any brackets for the sheer fact that it's a pain in the rear end sometimes as well as adds extra cost if you're going out and buying a set of 5th gen ones.
10-06-2006, 08:11 AM
#58
Yeah I was talking to krizmax today and he said that once he had the 00vi bolted in he could move the entire car when he tried to move the 00vi. The LIM should be torqued to 20-23 ft-lb and I believe it says 13-16 ft-lb for the intake collection/UIM. That's the specs for the 4th gen. I'm guessing its the same for the 00vi?
10-06-2006, 11:46 AM
#61
Originally Posted by DandyMax
I didn't find it that much of a pain. But after seeing how the 00VI is mounted at the front and by the EGR at the back, I don't see a need to retain the brackets. The EGR guide tube will support the back end well enough.
10-06-2006, 01:22 PM
#63
You can take my advice or not, but I used both rear support brackets from the 5th gen simply for added security. I know that one time after I had the 00VI on and bolted down, I inadvertenty leaned on the upper trying to reach back behind the upper to get to the rear brackets. It did not break, but I was concerned that it shifted under the weight. It was late and I was not thinking clearly. I look at it this way, when you add up the weight of the upper, TB, and consider how the upper is basically a lever at the bolting points, it was not worth the risk to me for the cost of the brackets ($11 each). I know there are plenty of people out there running without them and not having any problems, but I was not going to take that risk. I will agree that they are difficult to install, but only took me about 20 minutes total, as I was patient and did not get frustrated by the limited space. My dad always used to say something to me growing up that usually guides the way I do all my work..."there's never enough time to do it right the first time, but there always seems to be time to do it twice."
By the way, I spent several hours writing a comprehensive step by step instruction sheet of how to do the swap using 4th gen lower, functioning egr, 4th gen IACV, 5th gen TB and MSD digital activation switch. I also included instructions of how to modify the lower and make the IACV remote plate. I have not yet decided what to do with the document. I don't really feel like giving it away.
By the way, I spent several hours writing a comprehensive step by step instruction sheet of how to do the swap using 4th gen lower, functioning egr, 4th gen IACV, 5th gen TB and MSD digital activation switch. I also included instructions of how to modify the lower and make the IACV remote plate. I have not yet decided what to do with the document. I don't really feel like giving it away.
10-06-2006, 03:58 PM
#65
The way I see those brackets, they're probably engineering overkill. However, I don't have complete confidence that the bolts holding the UIM to the LIM were designed to handle that load without any help. I think of this sort of like wearing seat belts: I'd rather use them and never need them, then not bother with them and later on regret that decision.
There's no absolute right or wrong way here, but at least with this discussion individual guys can decide for themselves with the benefit of others' experience.
There's no absolute right or wrong way here, but at least with this discussion individual guys can decide for themselves with the benefit of others' experience.
10-06-2006, 07:23 PM
#67
Take a look at my progress as of tonight:
Essentially, I need to go pick up a 12mm wrench in the morning so I can get the 2 support bracket bolts off and tada...the upper manifold will come off. That's it so far, though. Only an hour and a half put into it right now.
Essentially, I need to go pick up a 12mm wrench in the morning so I can get the 2 support bracket bolts off and tada...the upper manifold will come off. That's it so far, though. Only an hour and a half put into it right now.
10-06-2006, 07:38 PM
#68
So you guys didn't say anything about my other post....on the back side of the 5th UIM there should be pieces that hang down to attach the brackets correct? Well mine are shaved off from the previous owner. Anyway I can still connect them?
10-07-2006, 04:08 AM
#69
Not as far as I know. The brackets were molded plastic with brass sleeves, so Have no idea how you would put brackets there now. Like many have said, they are not absolutely necessary, but a good thing to have if you are worried. If you are insistent on having the support brackets, look for another upper.
10-07-2006, 05:45 AM
#70
I'm about 2 steps away from ramming a wrench in my eye out of sheer frustration. I CANNOT get these bracket bolts off. Socket wrenches don't fit, and once under torque, regular wrenches seem to just slip right off, if I can even get my hands in there to torque them.
How did all of you who have done the swap get these things off?!
How did all of you who have done the swap get these things off?!
10-07-2006, 06:07 AM
#71
Well I'm guessing you already blasted them so they shouldnt be stock...are you using the open or closed part of the wrench?
Also I wanted to ask everyone something. I've gotten a lot of mixed feelings so I wanted to ask the guys in here since there's a lot that know what you are doing. I'm going to use all the gen parts minus the tb and iacv, because I was told that I would not have to tune the car. I've also been told I would ned to tune the car from others so I'm trying to get some more feedback. I wont be able to buy the JWT for the swap for a while (if I even buy it at all) so should I not do the 5th gen setup?
Also I wanted to ask everyone something. I've gotten a lot of mixed feelings so I wanted to ask the guys in here since there's a lot that know what you are doing. I'm going to use all the gen parts minus the tb and iacv, because I was told that I would not have to tune the car. I've also been told I would ned to tune the car from others so I'm trying to get some more feedback. I wont be able to buy the JWT for the swap for a while (if I even buy it at all) so should I not do the 5th gen setup?
10-07-2006, 06:22 AM
#72
Tatanko, the bolts should be a standard 8M bolt with a 12mm hex head, so make sure you have a good socket head and drive. If I remember correctly, I had better luck with the bolt that goes into the head vs. the manifold. It's easier to get to from under the TB and around the EGR. It's hard, but try to get some PB Blaster in there or WD 40 and let it sit for a while. Plus, you'll need to have some time to get your frustration level down so you don't mame yourself with a wrench. After all, having an 00VI is no fun if you can't see to drive it.
10-07-2006, 06:28 AM
#73
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
So you guys didn't say anything about my other post....on the back side of the 5th UIM there should be pieces that hang down to attach the brackets correct? Well mine are shaved off from the previous owner. Anyway I can still connect them?
10-07-2006, 06:40 AM
#75
You won't need tuning if you use the 4th gen lower/fuel, however, tuning will still help to get the most out of it.
Thanks to those that have replied about my problem. I finally managed to get a socket and everything on there, but between the knuckle I had to use to get the right angle and the 10" extension I have to use to reach, it's hard to apply torque. It also doesn't seem to want to come off, but I also hadn't been using PB blaster. I don't know what happened to my can of that stuff, so I just used some of the spray version of Seafoam (not the crap you use to clean out your engine, but the liquidy spray kind meant for rust and what not). We'll see. I also have NismoMax80 coming over tonight and he's got more tools than I do, so I hope to have these damn bolts off tonight
Thanks to those that have replied about my problem. I finally managed to get a socket and everything on there, but between the knuckle I had to use to get the right angle and the 10" extension I have to use to reach, it's hard to apply torque. It also doesn't seem to want to come off, but I also hadn't been using PB blaster. I don't know what happened to my can of that stuff, so I just used some of the spray version of Seafoam (not the crap you use to clean out your engine, but the liquidy spray kind meant for rust and what not). We'll see. I also have NismoMax80 coming over tonight and he's got more tools than I do, so I hope to have these damn bolts off tonight
10-07-2006, 06:45 AM
#76
Yeah but I'm going to do the 5th lower and rails so I think I remember your site saying that tuning was a most. Krismax told me he didnt tune and ran good times. I wont be running track, but I want to make sure the car will run ok without tuning. That's why I'm trying to get as much feedback to see what the guys with the other setups said. I've been told using all 5th gen is a better idea because of lining up manifolds and such so I'm really trying to get that input before I decide about buying the lower section.
10-07-2006, 06:50 AM
#77
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Yeah but I'm going to do the 5th lower and rails so I think I remember your site saying that tuning was a most. Krismax told me he didnt tune and ran good times. I wont be running track, but I want to make sure the car will run ok without tuning. That's why I'm trying to get as much feedback to see what the guys with the other setups said. I've been told using all 5th gen is a better idea because of lining up manifolds and such so I'm really trying to get that input before I decide about buying the lower section.
10-07-2006, 07:03 AM
#79
You can tune with a VAFCII on the stock ECU and have good results from what I have read. The VAFCII is like $300, which is cheaper than the JWT ECU. If you do the 5th gen lower, your car will just run rich. If you have to dough, I'd go with the 5th gen lower and add an adjustable FPR and VAFCII. That would be my first choice if I had the money.
10-07-2006, 07:03 AM
#80
Originally Posted by Cdg2125
Just that I know I wont have the money for the JWT. There isnt really any options other than the JWT or EU. Guess I might have to go 4th lower....
