View Poll Results: Which Radar Detector do you own?
Valentine One
60
30.00%
Passport 8500 or other Escort
69
34.50%
Bel Vector 985 or other Bel
25
12.50%
Cobra ESD 9110 or other Cobra
29
14.50%
Other
17
8.50%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll
Which radar detector do you own?
11-30-2004, 08:34 AM
#84
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 31
I got the 8500 x50.
Its so funny how you say it is biased but most if not all the articles I have found say the rx 65 or x50 is better then the v1? are you saying they are all biased?
I called v1 and they said the last credible test was in 2002 with Car and Driver(or some magazine i forget)? but i hear mike valentine was present in that test... wouldnt that be biased?
didnt mike valentine lash out that POP is basicaly bull**** and it doesnt work, they even had a demo on the website on how stupid it works..... then all of a sudden he comes out with a POP enabled V1..... ummmmm...... so does that mean he thinks POP is now a threat??? i even read in the website telling escort owners to return theirs if they bought it in the last 30 days..... signs of desperation? you dont see passport lashing out at valentine
pls show me a radar detector test that shows the v1 is better
on that note... i think the directional arrows on the V1 are great, i wish i had it. but performance wise v1 and passport are at par. i decided to go for the x50 at the time because of POP and the PRICE
now that V1 has POP i may consider it.
Its so funny how you say it is biased but most if not all the articles I have found say the rx 65 or x50 is better then the v1? are you saying they are all biased?
I called v1 and they said the last credible test was in 2002 with Car and Driver(or some magazine i forget)? but i hear mike valentine was present in that test... wouldnt that be biased?
didnt mike valentine lash out that POP is basicaly bull**** and it doesnt work, they even had a demo on the website on how stupid it works..... then all of a sudden he comes out with a POP enabled V1..... ummmmm...... so does that mean he thinks POP is now a threat??? i even read in the website telling escort owners to return theirs if they bought it in the last 30 days..... signs of desperation? you dont see passport lashing out at valentine
pls show me a radar detector test that shows the v1 is better
on that note... i think the directional arrows on the V1 are great, i wish i had it. but performance wise v1 and passport are at par. i decided to go for the x50 at the time because of POP and the PRICE
now that V1 has POP i may consider it.
12-03-2004, 07:10 PM
#85
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: West Henrietta, NY
Posts: 831
Originally Posted by thisasian
You don't understand the layout of Raleigh. It was one pretty straight, but hilly road, and the school was pretty far away. There were no school buses around, and the speed limit is normally 45 right up until you hit an interesection for the road to the school (which is another half mile down the st.). Should I have been paying better attention? Yes. Is it a pretty ****ty design for a road, and a speed trap? Yes, and yes.
12-04-2004, 08:13 AM
#86
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 426
Being the ripe old age of 47, I've owned many detectors over the years. I've learned over all these years, that the cheap detectors DO NOT provide the highest level of protection. Anyone telling you to get a cheap RD, "cause it's just as good as any other" is full of ****. The best detectors will always be the top of the line units, that is and will always be the simple truth. Another important thing to consider, especially in this world of constantly improving chip speed and electronic capability, that the "best" radar detectors will be the newer ones, with the newest chips and features, made by the well known companies mentioned here already.
As for speeding tickets, yes, you will get one sooner or later if you are driving like a maniac, as not every cop sits at the road side with his radar on, waiting for you to detect him. So a little common sense goes a long way in keeping the ticket count down. I enjoy a burst of speed (especially in my Turbo Supra), or carving a corner at high speed every now and then, but I pick my time and place, and I don't "drive like I stole it" all the time.
As for detectors, I just ordered a Bel RX65 on eBay at i-net for $234 + shipping. Retail is $329. It's a good price for a good detector IMHO.
As for speeding tickets, yes, you will get one sooner or later if you are driving like a maniac, as not every cop sits at the road side with his radar on, waiting for you to detect him. So a little common sense goes a long way in keeping the ticket count down. I enjoy a burst of speed (especially in my Turbo Supra), or carving a corner at high speed every now and then, but I pick my time and place, and I don't "drive like I stole it" all the time.
As for detectors, I just ordered a Bel RX65 on eBay at i-net for $234 + shipping. Retail is $329. It's a good price for a good detector IMHO.
12-05-2004, 06:20 PM
#87
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,084
Originally Posted by f_399
I got the 8500 x50.
Its so funny how you say it is biased but most if not all the articles I have found say the rx 65 or x50 is better then the v1? are you saying they are all biased?
I called v1 and they said the last credible test was in 2002 with Car and Driver(or some magazine i forget)? but i hear mike valentine was present in that test... wouldnt that be biased?
Its so funny how you say it is biased but most if not all the articles I have found say the rx 65 or x50 is better then the v1? are you saying they are all biased?
I called v1 and they said the last credible test was in 2002 with Car and Driver(or some magazine i forget)? but i hear mike valentine was present in that test... wouldnt that be biased?
If you go to Escort's own website, ALL of their "testimonial" "wins" or "quotes" from magazines are from 2001 or OLDER. The only one that is newer is MISQUOTED. Yes, they won in that 2004 Motortrend test, but they didn't post on their website the ENTIRE story. If you take the time to read the article in it's entirety you will see that the 8500 won by a fraction of a hair and they clearly said "only because it has the ABILITY to be hooked up to the ZR3 laser defense system does it get the nod". Even in the conclusion paragraph of that very same article it says that the V1 has "measurably" longer range than the rest.
Personally, in a RD that is what I'm looking for. RANGE. NOT good looks, not bells and whistles, not ergonomics. All would be great, but first and foremost RANGE is what saves your behind NOT looks.
Again, I'm not trying to start an 8500 vs V1 debate, but let's call it like it is and stop all the going back and forth. The 8500 is a magnificent unit. Nothing at all wrong with it's function. It's just not as good as the V1 by itself. If you combine it with the ZR3, then you're talking. But you're also adding $499 plus installation costs to a $300 RD too. That to me is not a fair fight. That would be like comparing a $100 Walmart RD to a V1.....
12-07-2004, 08:21 AM
#88
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,478
I had an escort 8500 3 years ago and got ticketed 2 times with the unit on.
I;m going to try out the new V1 with POP next week and will post feedback.
BTW- All you can say one detector is better than another, but I feel the V1 has a better life span because it can be upgraded with newer technology inside.
GC
I;m going to try out the new V1 with POP next week and will post feedback.
BTW- All you can say one detector is better than another, but I feel the V1 has a better life span because it can be upgraded with newer technology inside.
GC
12-17-2004, 09:07 PM
#89
radar detectors are a waste of money theres always some new thing that can defeat your detector anyway. all you need to do is pay attention to the people in front of you if they start braking then theres usually a cop or something else up ahead ive never gotten a ticket and i def drive way over the speed limit.
12-18-2004, 12:41 PM
#90
Originally Posted by skierxx5556
radar detectors are a waste of money theres always some new thing that can defeat your detector anyway. all you need to do is pay attention to the people in front of you if they start braking then theres usually a cop or something else up ahead ive never gotten a ticket and i def drive way over the speed limit.
12-19-2004, 07:17 PM
#91
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,084
Originally Posted by skierxx5556
radar detectors are a waste of money theres always some new thing that can defeat your detector anyway. all you need to do is pay attention to the people in front of you if they start braking then theres usually a cop or something else up ahead ive never gotten a ticket and i def drive way over the speed limit.
12-19-2004, 09:49 PM
#92
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How come K40 isnt in there? Just curious. As to what I have...None. Not that I dont really believe in them, just more of 'it gives me a false sense of security and I tend to speed more'
Of the ones posted I would go with the 8500, then into the K40. They are also my two best sellers, so I would say my customers would agree as well.
--Don
Of the ones posted I would go with the 8500, then into the K40. They are also my two best sellers, so I would say my customers would agree as well.
--Don
12-20-2004, 05:14 PM
#93
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,084
Originally Posted by Pearl96Max
How come K40 isnt in there? Just curious. As to what I have...None. Not that I dont really believe in them, just more of 'it gives me a false sense of security and I tend to speed more'
Of the ones posted I would go with the 8500, then into the K40. They are also my two best sellers, so I would say my customers would agree as well.
--Don
Of the ones posted I would go with the 8500, then into the K40. They are also my two best sellers, so I would say my customers would agree as well.
--Don
12-21-2004, 01:13 PM
#94
Originally Posted by JAIMECBR900
Personally, in a RD that is what I'm looking for. RANGE. NOT good looks, not bells and whistles, not ergonomics. All would be great, but first and foremost RANGE is what saves your behind NOT looks.
It doesn't need to be flashy or talk to you or have text or have other useless features. It needs to work and work well. The V1's case is also made of metal. Which would explain why it is not as pretty but is much more durable (yet lighter). I fully believe the extra $100 is more than worth it for a V1 over an 8500. It is true that Mike Valentine is one of the founders of Escort but then left to start making the V1 for himself.
Different reviewers go for different things. The biggest thing for me was going on a road trip with h2kfrosty (to get his turbo max from hal) and I was able to see first hand what is was capable of. Buy both. Send the one that you don't like back after 30 days.
Cordless radar detectors are just not a good idea if you want the best protection. Just hard wire a V1 or an 8500.
There are countless times that I have gottten a signal from a cop radaring from the back. They won't use their speedometer comparing with your speed in court most of the time. You can easily turn that over in court.
And I have gotten the reflexes now that if there is a no warning instant on I can slam on my brakes (I do try to not break loose tires) and the cops either don't bother or don't know. I know in theory this shouldn't be possible but it works. The far majority of the time though I know about them very well in advance.
Laser is another story. Graceously it is rare around here and I have been lucky on the 3-4 times I have been hit. A black car helps too.
Another good thing is that there is only one model, the best model. There is no wimpy model that you can save money on. And when a new version comes out you can always upgrade for a reasonable price. h2kfrosty has had his 1.7 for several years which doesn't have quite the Ka range and is bulkier. He went to upgrade and they told him it probably wasn't worth it unless he really wanted to. That is honestly I look for in a company.
Anyway,
there should be a sticky or something
I don't even want to begin to search for how many V1 vs. 8500 or Best RD threads there are
12-28-2004, 10:36 AM
#98
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,084
Originally Posted by slickrick
quick refresher... is pop when the cops use radar then turn it off then back on so its harder to detect? im probably way off... im curious because i just got the old 8500 for free. 
04-27-2006, 09:08 PM
#101
Originally Posted by slickrick
quick refresher... is pop when the cops use radar then turn it off then back on so its harder to detect? im probably way off... im curious because i just got the old 8500 for free.
Originally Posted by Ankit69
valentine one is the best radar out there, saved me at least 50 times
Originally Posted by BigL0U
Is the Escort Passport 8500 X50 made by Beltronics? Must be a typo with what they are selling on eBay.
Such is the case with many other Escort and Beltronics (Bel) products, actually (Passport SR7 = RX75, Shifter ZR3 = Laser Pro 905, etc.). Different on the outside, but identical or nearly identical on the inside.
Oh, and BTW..... LASER DETECTION IS USELESS. PERIOD. No matter what kind of detector you have, there's a 99% chance that you're already marked by the time it detects the threat. If you need laser protection, you need a laser jammer (not to be confused with a radar jammer, which will be ineffective and is blatantly illegal).
04-28-2006, 10:31 AM
#102
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 56
The Valentine One is the best radar/laser detector on the market today.
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...ctor-test.html
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...adar-test.html
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...-rdd-test.html
http://motortrend.com/features/consu...r_buyersguide/
"This year, the measurement of the radar and laser detection abilities of each of the over $200 units gives the Valentine One ($400) a small edge over the competing BEL Vector 995 ($260) and Escort Passport 8500 X50 ($300 with red display or $340 with a blue display) units."
V1 is the best in laser detection:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...213&highlight=
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detector-performance/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...adar-detector/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...ice-laser-gun/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...adar-detector/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...ice-laser-gun/
V1 has the best rear radar detection because it is the only detector with 2 antennas to locate radar:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...214&highlight=
V1 is the least detectable detector by RDD's or Radar Detector Detectors in states where radar detectors are illegal. The Spectre III is the most used RDD in the world and it can only pick up the Valentine One if it is 166 feet or closer which is better than the X50 which can be detected 954 feet away.
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...383&highlight=
The Valentine One which accounts for only .6% of radar detector sales wins every poll when it comes to being the favorite detector. The X50 doesn't even get an approval rating as high as George Bush's worst rating.
http://www.radardetector.net/The-Ult.......-5523t.php
Which of the "Big 3" is really the best overall - in your opinion?
V-1
64% [ 45 ]
RX-65
12% [ 9 ]
X50
20% [ 14 ]
Other (state which and why)
2% [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 70
Here is a poll on a BMW M3 Forum:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...ight=valentine
What kind of Radar Detector do you have?
Valentine 1 144 people
64.86%
Escort 8500 52 people
23.42%
K40 5 people
2.25%
Other 21 people
9.46%
TOTAL VOTES 222 PEOPLE
Here is a poll on a LOTUS ELISE Forum:
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...ight=valentine
What do you think is the best Radar Detector?
Bel Pro RX65 2
1.92%
Escort 8500 X50 18
17.31%
Valentine One 78
75.00%
Cobra Pro 9780 0
0%
Whistler Pro 73 0
0%
Escort Solo S2 5
4.81%
Whistler 1788 1
.96%
PNI Silver B. 0
0%
Voters: 104
Here is a poll on another site:
http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showt...ight=valentine
Best Radar Detector?
Escort Passport 8
11.59%
Valentine One 47
68.12%
Cobra 4
5.80%
Beltronics 5
7.25%
Uniden 0
0%
Other 5
7.25%
Voters: 69 people
Here are the results from the Corvette Forum:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...=valentine+one
Which Radar Detector do you have...
Valentine V-1 122
44.36%
Bel RX65 16
5.82%
Escort 8500 99
36.00%
Whistler Pro 73 2
0.73%
Other 36
13.09%
Voters: 275
Here are the results from the Acura Forum:
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76772
Which Radar Detector Do you Guys Suggest up to $400
Valentine 1 136
59.13%
Escort 8500 78
33.91%
Beltronics 904 3
1.30%
Other 13
5.65%
Voters: 230
Here are the results from a VW Forum:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2444300
Valentine V1 (65%, 81 votes)
Escort 8500 (28%, 35 votes)
Escort Solo S2 (4%, 5 votes)
Whistler (1%, 2 votes)
(123 total votes)
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...ghlight=#42353
Radar Roy from Radarbusters.com said this about the Valentine One, "Just spoke with Carl Fors from SML, his website will be going online tonight with the 2005 results. He has declared the V895, 8500 and the Valentine One as the top performers. Motortrend, who was also at the test, will be declaring the Valentine One as the top detector based upon its detection of laser.
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...=4696&start=90
Radar Roy said, "There were results that they (Guys of Lidar) got during the test that I was not exactly pleased with, such as the discovery of the Blinder not having Stealth Mode installed and the Valentine beating out the Escort and Bel in the range tests. Even though I don’t sell the Valentine, it does have slightly better range than both the RX65 and the 8500 and I also show this same fact on my site. Would love it to be the other way around."
Here is a link and video of the V1 alerting to radar quicker than the X50 and sometimes the X50 didn't alert to the radar at all. They are quick pulling the radar gun's trigger and the X50 is filtering it out and the V1 is picking it up every time.
http://www.radardetector.net/V1-vs.-...otout-865t.php
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...ZmQzMXk1NDE%3D
V1 wins in POP detection:
http://media.putfile.com/JammerTestscom_tests_V1X50_POP
V1 wins because it detects a certain laser gun in stealth mode while the X50 remains silent:
http://media.putfile.com/JammerTests...nd_X50_stealth
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...ctor-test.html
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...adar-test.html
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...-rdd-test.html
http://motortrend.com/features/consu...r_buyersguide/
"This year, the measurement of the radar and laser detection abilities of each of the over $200 units gives the Valentine One ($400) a small edge over the competing BEL Vector 995 ($260) and Escort Passport 8500 X50 ($300 with red display or $340 with a blue display) units."
V1 is the best in laser detection:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...213&highlight=
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detector-performance/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...adar-detector/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...ice-laser-gun/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...adar-detector/
http://www.laserveil.com/laser-detec...ice-laser-gun/
V1 has the best rear radar detection because it is the only detector with 2 antennas to locate radar:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...214&highlight=
V1 is the least detectable detector by RDD's or Radar Detector Detectors in states where radar detectors are illegal. The Spectre III is the most used RDD in the world and it can only pick up the Valentine One if it is 166 feet or closer which is better than the X50 which can be detected 954 feet away.
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...383&highlight=
The Valentine One which accounts for only .6% of radar detector sales wins every poll when it comes to being the favorite detector. The X50 doesn't even get an approval rating as high as George Bush's worst rating.
http://www.radardetector.net/The-Ult.......-5523t.php
Which of the "Big 3" is really the best overall - in your opinion?
V-1
64% [ 45 ]
RX-65
12% [ 9 ]
X50
20% [ 14 ]
Other (state which and why)
2% [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 70
Here is a poll on a BMW M3 Forum:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...ight=valentine
What kind of Radar Detector do you have?
Valentine 1 144 people
64.86%
Escort 8500 52 people
23.42%
K40 5 people
2.25%
Other 21 people
9.46%
TOTAL VOTES 222 PEOPLE
Here is a poll on a LOTUS ELISE Forum:
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...ight=valentine
What do you think is the best Radar Detector?
Bel Pro RX65 2
1.92%
Escort 8500 X50 18
17.31%
Valentine One 78
75.00%
Cobra Pro 9780 0
0%
Whistler Pro 73 0
0%
Escort Solo S2 5
4.81%
Whistler 1788 1
.96%
PNI Silver B. 0
0%
Voters: 104
Here is a poll on another site:
http://www.socaleuro.com/forum/showt...ight=valentine
Best Radar Detector?
Escort Passport 8
11.59%
Valentine One 47
68.12%
Cobra 4
5.80%
Beltronics 5
7.25%
Uniden 0
0%
Other 5
7.25%
Voters: 69 people
Here are the results from the Corvette Forum:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...=valentine+one
Which Radar Detector do you have...
Valentine V-1 122
44.36%
Bel RX65 16
5.82%
Escort 8500 99
36.00%
Whistler Pro 73 2
0.73%
Other 36
13.09%
Voters: 275
Here are the results from the Acura Forum:
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76772
Which Radar Detector Do you Guys Suggest up to $400
Valentine 1 136
59.13%
Escort 8500 78
33.91%
Beltronics 904 3
1.30%
Other 13
5.65%
Voters: 230
Here are the results from a VW Forum:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2444300
Valentine V1 (65%, 81 votes)
Escort 8500 (28%, 35 votes)
Escort Solo S2 (4%, 5 votes)
Whistler (1%, 2 votes)
(123 total votes)
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...ghlight=#42353
Radar Roy from Radarbusters.com said this about the Valentine One, "Just spoke with Carl Fors from SML, his website will be going online tonight with the 2005 results. He has declared the V895, 8500 and the Valentine One as the top performers. Motortrend, who was also at the test, will be declaring the Valentine One as the top detector based upon its detection of laser.
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...=4696&start=90
Radar Roy said, "There were results that they (Guys of Lidar) got during the test that I was not exactly pleased with, such as the discovery of the Blinder not having Stealth Mode installed and the Valentine beating out the Escort and Bel in the range tests. Even though I don’t sell the Valentine, it does have slightly better range than both the RX65 and the 8500 and I also show this same fact on my site. Would love it to be the other way around."
Here is a link and video of the V1 alerting to radar quicker than the X50 and sometimes the X50 didn't alert to the radar at all. They are quick pulling the radar gun's trigger and the X50 is filtering it out and the V1 is picking it up every time.
http://www.radardetector.net/V1-vs.-...otout-865t.php
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...ZmQzMXk1NDE%3D
V1 wins in POP detection:
http://media.putfile.com/JammerTestscom_tests_V1X50_POP
V1 wins because it detects a certain laser gun in stealth mode while the X50 remains silent:
http://media.putfile.com/JammerTests...nd_X50_stealth
04-28-2006, 11:30 AM
#103
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE BAN THIS SPAMMER??
This stuff is all he ever posts!
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?searchid=417838
This stuff is all he ever posts!
http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?searchid=417838
04-29-2006, 08:42 AM
#107
If you do the V1 you can do something like I did.
I threw the hidden display in the clock so it's stealthy. Then I just stuck my radar above my rear view mirror. you can't see it really from the outside of my car and the front of the car cause it has the factory tint strip up there.
I threw the hidden display in the clock so it's stealthy. Then I just stuck my radar above my rear view mirror. you can't see it really from the outside of my car and the front of the car cause it has the factory tint strip up there.
04-29-2006, 07:51 PM
#108
Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 33
Originally Posted by BigL0U
Is the Escort Passport 8500 X50 made by Beltronics? Must be a typo with what they are selling on eBay.
04-30-2006, 11:14 PM
#109
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 112
I just bought a V1 about a week ago, and have to disagree with anyone who thinks the arrows are stupid. A lot of cops leave their radar guns on 24/7 while cruising the freeways. I just had a CHP pass me on the freeway at night, and all the while my V1 is pointing at where he is, telling me how exactly how close he was. I knew exactly how far away he was, how quickly he came up behind me without ever seeing his sneaky a$$. 
How can that be wrong? I guess if you don't have that feature, you won't miss it... kinda like Tivo. Until you own one you just don't understand... it 's the same thing. Not sure if other brands offer this, but the remote module that allows the LED display to relocate to a more discrete location (by the cigarette lighter) is another very cool feature... one of the most annoying features of any radar detector is driving with it at night and having those LED's light up the dash while a cop is driving next to you. Being able to use one without having a neon sign on my dashboard is great. The V1 is sweet, and is the 2nd best "performance upgrade" ever, next to my Fastrak bridge toll transponder. 
How can that be wrong? I guess if you don't have that feature, you won't miss it... kinda like Tivo. Until you own one you just don't understand... it 's the same thing. Not sure if other brands offer this, but the remote module that allows the LED display to relocate to a more discrete location (by the cigarette lighter) is another very cool feature... one of the most annoying features of any radar detector is driving with it at night and having those LED's light up the dash while a cop is driving next to you. Being able to use one without having a neon sign on my dashboard is great. The V1 is sweet, and is the 2nd best "performance upgrade" ever, next to my Fastrak bridge toll transponder.
05-01-2006, 06:03 AM
#110
I suppose it depends on what you want out of your detector. If your thought process is something like
IF {cop} THEN {slow down}
then the arrows won't do much.
But if you're actively trying to avoid patrols and speed traps, then of course you should know where they are.
IF {cop} THEN {slow down}
then the arrows won't do much.
But if you're actively trying to avoid patrols and speed traps, then of course you should know where they are.
05-01-2006, 09:18 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
If your thought process is something like
IF {cop} THEN {slow down}
then the arrows won't do much.
IF {cop} THEN {slow down}
then the arrows won't do much.
So much for their theories.Progress is what raises the standards. I don't see any other brands doing anything differently than they did 15 years ago.
05-01-2006, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by desmo_dude
The same was said of Tivo... If you want to watch a show at 8 pm, all you have to do is stockpile VHS tapes, or just be home at 8 pm. Yeah right...
What's your point anyway? Many (if not most) people buy radar detectors because they can't be bothered to either follow the speed limits or spend their entire drive on constant alert for cops and possible speed traps. They are either unwilling or unable to use tactics to try to dodge speed traps. All they want to know is when a cop is around so they can slow down. To those people, it won't matter where the cop is. They probably don't care enough to watch the arrows or know enough to do anything about it anyway. It doesn't matter what kind of threat they're facing: they're not going to play games and try to hide behind other cars to avoid a cop on the side of the road, they're not going to take chances that the cruiser behind them won't see them duck into the next lane to keep speeding, and they're not going to try to get off the road they're on just to avoid a potential speed trap ahead. All they want to know is when to slow down.
Besides, you picked on only half my argument. I'm not saying the arrows are useless... just functionally meaningless for many people. I personally would love to use them.
Originally Posted by desmo_dude
I don't see any other brands doing anything differently than they did 15 years ago.
05-01-2006, 12:08 PM
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I see your points. (and yes, I was referring to the interface)
My main point is that the V1 addressed two issues I've had with radar detectors in general, which kept me away from them for many years.
1. Knowing where a "bogey" is physically located is 90% of the filtering process. For example, I'm generalizing a bit, but I don't slow down if it's coming from the side. I wouldn't have that information with any other brand, and thus would be slowing down unnecessarily.
2. Having the option to NOT light up my dashboard like a neon sign whenever it goes off, but still have the lights available in a more discrete location was another big plus.
My main point is that the V1 addressed two issues I've had with radar detectors in general, which kept me away from them for many years.
1. Knowing where a "bogey" is physically located is 90% of the filtering process. For example, I'm generalizing a bit, but I don't slow down if it's coming from the side. I wouldn't have that information with any other brand, and thus would be slowing down unnecessarily.
2. Having the option to NOT light up my dashboard like a neon sign whenever it goes off, but still have the lights available in a more discrete location was another big plus.
05-02-2006, 08:38 AM
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The reason the other brands can't compete with the V1 is because Valentine Research has a patent on arrows and 2 antennas (1 facing front, 1 facing back) in a single radar detector unit. This is why people that own the V1 know where the cops are and detect Ka band radar from the rear 2.5 miles away compared to the X50's 1/2 mile away.
05-02-2006, 08:56 AM
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And the reason V1 can't compete with the other brands is that they don't shower you with false alarms, and they're at least $100 cheaper.
Besides, 1/2 mile is still WAY beyond the effective range of police radar, and at real speeds it would take a police cruiser a good long while to close that distance. There's no point to knowing someone has thrown up a speed trap 2.5 miles behind you unless you're speeding in reverse.
Besides, 1/2 mile is still WAY beyond the effective range of police radar, and at real speeds it would take a police cruiser a good long while to close that distance. There's no point to knowing someone has thrown up a speed trap 2.5 miles behind you unless you're speeding in reverse.
05-02-2006, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
And the reason V1 can't compete with the other brands is that they don't shower you with false alarms, and they're at least $100 cheaper.
WOW, the V1 had 2 falses and the 8500 had 1 false....Big Difference!
These videos show why the other detectors are more quiet than the V1...it is because the others can't detect everything.
You care to dispute these videos d00df00d?
Here is a link and video of the V1 alerting to radar quicker than the X50 and sometimes the X50 didn't alert to the radar at all. They are quick pulling the radar gun's trigger and the X50 is filtering it out and the V1 is picking it up every time.
http://www.radardetector.net/V1-vs.-...otout-865t.php
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...ZmQzMXk1NDE%3D
V1 wins in POP detection:
http://media.putfile.com/JammerTestscom_tests_V1X50_POP
V1 wins because it detects a certain laser gun in stealth mode while the X50 remains silent:
http://media.putfile.com/JammerTests...nd_X50_stealth
05-03-2006, 01:59 AM
#118
Way to copy-paste from your previous post, which you seem to have re-used endlessly. Yes, I do care to dispute those videos.
The first one, represented in the first two links you sent, is a broken link.
The second one is a ludicrous test -- he's got the two detectors in a closed room right up against a mirror (a barrier off of which radar can reflect), and he's firing the POP radar at point blank range at the backs of the detectors. That doesn't REMOTELY represent the conditions of normal use! Plus, who the hell would use POP radar BEHIND you? The results of that video cannot be generalized to real-world performance and thus should have no bearing on evaluations of the detectors.
The third one is also a ludicrous test because the conditions the same as in the first video and thus equally meaningless this time -- let alone the fact that laser detection is meaningless as well.
Get them out on the road in real conditions, get some numbers, and then we'll talk.
The first one, represented in the first two links you sent, is a broken link.
The second one is a ludicrous test -- he's got the two detectors in a closed room right up against a mirror (a barrier off of which radar can reflect), and he's firing the POP radar at point blank range at the backs of the detectors. That doesn't REMOTELY represent the conditions of normal use! Plus, who the hell would use POP radar BEHIND you? The results of that video cannot be generalized to real-world performance and thus should have no bearing on evaluations of the detectors.
The third one is also a ludicrous test because the conditions the same as in the first video and thus equally meaningless this time -- let alone the fact that laser detection is meaningless as well.
Get them out on the road in real conditions, get some numbers, and then we'll talk.
05-03-2006, 03:24 AM
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Okay, it's time to settle this.
Here's the article that finally sold me on the V1, from a guy who's a professional speeder, not some random Joe on a temporary caffeine fix like the rest of us:
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/column...ors-141101.php
and here's the author's bio:
http://www.teampolizei.com/biography.html
If you know anything about either of those events, you know that quote alone is pure OWNAGE. Are those real enough road conditions?
Their $.02 is worth my $400. Everyone else's opinions, experiments, bar graphs, etc. is worth just that.... $.02.
I like the fighter pilot analogies... Only an ex-military guy like Valentine could understand the importance of "combat effectiveness".
Here's the article that finally sold me on the V1, from a guy who's a professional speeder, not some random Joe on a temporary caffeine fix like the rest of us:
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/column...ors-141101.php
and here's the author's bio:
http://www.teampolizei.com/biography.html
For years, myself and a handful of drivers you’ve never heard of—Collins, Rawlings, Tunon, Ross—have dominated the Gumball 3000 and Bullrun with relative impunity. Although we’re enemies on the road, we agree on one thing—there is only one radar detector worth buying. The rest are really no better than overpriced brick..... Every single top Gumball and Bullrun driver uses the Valentine V1.
Their $.02 is worth my $400. Everyone else's opinions, experiments, bar graphs, etc. is worth just that.... $.02.
BEL’s RX65 Pro ($329) and Escort’s Passport 8500 X50 ($349) can match or slightly surpass the V1 in detection range and false alarm reduction, but without the directional display. Detector shoppers may buy these without shame, but you will be braking every time you get a real alarm, even if it’s behind you, because you’ll never really know where it’s coming from. V1 owners will be accelerating away.
in-car radar detectors are meant to perform precisely the same job as those installed in fighter aircraft. There is one feature included in all modern fighter aircraft, a feature lacking in virtually every in-car radar detector available because one manufacturer owns the patent, a feature without which a fighter’s radar warning system would be considered ineffective: incoming threat directional signal indicators. In fighter combat, this feature is the difference between life and death. In a car, this feature is the difference between slamming on the brakes or flooring the gas.
05-03-2006, 10:59 PM
#120
1. Okay, cool. So super speed demons like the V1. Now prove that they are the majority of people on the road, and then you can kick and scream all you want about it being the absolute best. Until then, the only thing you're "settling" is that V1 is the best for *some* people (or even many people), which has already been said and not disputed.
2. Flooring the gas after detecting a threat behind you? Yeah, good idea. If a cop is close enough to be a threat, speeding up would really help you. Especially if the reason for the rearward alert is a cop who's also on the road right behind you. Or if it's a cop hiding behind some obstacles on the side of the highway, gunning you as you pass.
But even nothwithstanding that, again... it has been said and not disputed that the V1 is best for those who are actively trying to dodge police radar, and not the best for people who just want to know when to slow down. That means THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE BEST.
3. Ouch. Comparing breaking the law to living or dying in combat. Not cool.
2. Flooring the gas after detecting a threat behind you? Yeah, good idea. If a cop is close enough to be a threat, speeding up would really help you. Especially if the reason for the rearward alert is a cop who's also on the road right behind you. Or if it's a cop hiding behind some obstacles on the side of the highway, gunning you as you pass.
But even nothwithstanding that, again... it has been said and not disputed that the V1 is best for those who are actively trying to dodge police radar, and not the best for people who just want to know when to slow down. That means THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE BEST.
3. Ouch. Comparing breaking the law to living or dying in combat. Not cool.
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