That used to be the case, when you couldn't even get a 4th gen for $6500, but now that you can get them for almost the same price as a VE, that whole generalization is disappearing.

I will say that this white car is my 2nd 3rd gen VE, and I am going to pick up my 3rd in a few days

Besides, when it comes down to it, we get 1/10 of the "how do I change my oil" or "how do I change my map light bulbs" type of questions in ?f=11

 

Yep, that video really proves 3rd gens are quick You can clearly see the smoke billowing out from the 4th gen on launch and you can hear it pegging the limiter. The driver got beat, not the car.

I have videos of me at track outreacting a LS1 Z28 by .4 seconds and then getting a 2.2 60 foot compared to his 2.4 and me getting to the win in the 1/4 mile. I'm not going to sit here and claim that I'm quicker than an LS1 F-Body

 

You grabbing Tony's car Spongey?

 

I rarely do this but this information you have posted is not correct...... am I qualified to respond? Absolutely I have had 4 VG 5spd I do agree that a VG 5spd is strong out the hole and will hold it's own against a VE 5speed off the line. But the point you are missing is that the VQ 5speed had the advantage over the VE (until about 70+) because based on what you are saying a VG and VQ are neck and neck up to 90+mph (top of third) and that is not so. Based on past experience I think the VQ will start to pull the VG shifting into second.
I owned a 91SE 5spd and I loved that car The VG does exibit similar characteristics of the VQ great lowend and then runs out of breathe.

ON behalf of the VG how many engines make more 21 ft/lbs of torque over their hp? Stock the VQ is close but not quite there.

 

no

bought a charcoal VE down in portland, going to pick it up tuesday

 

I was referring to the comment about a VG being even with a VQ until 3rd gear which I was curious if that was what he really meant. It was an honest mistake and I won't hold it against a fellow Max man

 

Cool. Anyone I know?

 

the distance between the two cars passing the camera isnt nearly as great as the distance between the two cars coming back.


that 3rd gen, is it Aaron or Les?

 

its not nice to forget people shawn, we've got matt too! cant forget bryan H!
i think some of us are beyond getting 'schooled'..we just figure things out now (if we arent already able to take the car apart and put it back together blindfolded) without help.

 

The VQ will pull before that. I once raced James92SE. We started out from a slow roll in first, shifted to second at the time. However, he was already at least a car ahead at this time, by then he got into the meat of second it was all over. I never even got to wrap out second.

Even with that said, I'm waiting for VQuick to take me up on my offer

 

you can do it, eeeebbbaaaayyyyy

 

I can tell you they are pretty even, until the VE gets to use its extra 500rpm, then it leaps infront of the VG, shifts and just slowly pulls, but pulls harder and harder the faster you go. 3rd gear is cake

 

but they aren't here now, and they dont own people anymore

 

I'm talking about VQ vs VG though, not VE vs VG.

 

if by childs car you mean quick and fun, yes, yes it is. if not, well call it what you want but it still smokes every VQ i've encountered (including an auto G35 sedan).
and just for referenace shawn is incorrect in saying i refer to my mom's maxima as the mommymobile..its actually the mommymax and hopefully soon to be the mommyS60R

 

It would be the same result. I've never ran a VQ in the VG, but I would imagine the results would be the same as when I ran a VE five speed.

I think the guy was mistaken in thinking that the VG is good beyond 2nd gear

 

I know, but i'm telling you my experience in my car vs. a friends car. by no means scientific, just for a rough idea

 

ah that was the klowns

 

Well, I take it back, I have had a VQ encounter

When I was auto with just intake and y pipe, I ran my friends 4th gen with just intake, he was auto as well. We were dead even from a low roll, forgot what mph we stopped at but nobody pulled more than half a car. I never ran him when I was five speed though.

 

yeah i got banned because i "cursed" in my post i didn't do anything that i haven't seen done before. i haven't said anything that i thought was out of line but whatever.how was i being any less mature than you guys are being now. i may not beable to prove my radiator cap makes my car perform better but can you prove that it doesn't make my car perform better?
i like my car and if you were here or i was there my car would still be faster than yours so what diffrence does it make whose car has a better suspension or better top end.
i asked for a timeslip from a 3rd gen like 3 pages ago and all none of you guys can come up with one. that video proves nothing street racing and racing at a track are two diffrent ball games.

 

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=59388

Lookie what I found in 2 seconds. Not every 3rd gen that has run at the track is in there though

 

You were the one who broke the ice and resorted to name calling, therefore allowing the thread to take a new turn.


Of course we can't, we aren't the ones with the degree in mechanical engineering

Do you fail to see that the cars are basically the same performance-wise? Do you have trouble admitting that a car that is much older than yours is just as fast?

 

I have read all twelve pages of this crap and feel the need to throw in my two cents.
Before I bought my car I looked at several 3rd gens and 4th gens. The 3rd gens I looked at all had problems. But that is just because they are old now. I noticed gauges and various dash components having electrical problems, oil leaks, some rust, power seats fallen off the track, ect.
To answer the question of this thread 3rd gen vs. 4th gen, well I bought a 4th gen because it was newer and in better shape. My car seems to be faster than the 92 se I drove but that is just my opinion. It was a fast car but it seemed tired in its old age.
As for the VG's, I drove two of them and the guy who posted on here earlier that he would smoke a 4th gen in his needs to put down the pipe.
I suggest somebody take him up on his 50 dollar bet....easy money. The VG's I drove were autos and I was reasonably sure that my old 91 accord EX 5spd would run both of them.
3rd gen VE's are still an awesome car though. I had wanted one for years but at this point I wanted lower miles and less problems more.

 

so they run high 15's and low 16's cool

 

Are you talking highway runs or track? I ran my friends 93 5speed accord on the highway and pretty much ruined his first day of owning that car. I'm not sure what mods you had but my friend had a HAI, hi-flow cat and muffler. I'm stock. After about 110 mph I had him by about 3 car lenghts and still pulled. I'm also an auto. Those cars may have that good "butt dyno" but the VG has HP and tq over it. I take it offensive to think that a stock for stock race with that car will beat me. The VG whp almost match that of the hondahs bhp.

Back on topic though. 3rd gens are still cooler.

 

No, not highway. Im not sure what the VG tops out at but my Accord wouldn't do more than 115. That's why I got the max
My hp in that honda was 135, I believe. Not as much as the VG but it felt quicker from a stop. Maybe those VG's had something wrong with em or were just plain tired? Im sure the 5sp VG's are quicker though I haven't driven one. They won't run a 4th gen, through third gear or to wherever though. We got too much torque. And I never took the VE out on the highway but my VQ feels real strong on the highway. 3rd gen guys talk about them like they are gasping for air or something. Mine pulls good.

 

VG 5-sp would have a hard time with a 5-sp VQ even down low. VQ's 190hp and 205ft lbs torque is nice. VS VG's 160hp and 185ft lbs.

 

I remember that

 

You want in on this too? My 3rd gen vs. a 4th gen

 

Oh yeah, if you were in my area. For all I know you could be racing some dude with a bad knock sensor and a misfire.
Your car looks real clean for a 89. You should get some 4th gen se rims for that at least though.

 

oops meant 89 not 99.
Dont drink and type

 

So you are in for $50 bucks that I get smoked if I find a 4th gen that is in perfect condition?

 

Why would I bet on a race in another state over which have no control? You could have a turboed VG on slicks racing a VQ with no oil in it, five bags of cement in the trunk and ten in the backseat and your buddy driving it and only giving it 50% throttle. Then you could film a VG "beating" a VQ. And I would weep tears of sorrow and take a hammer to my engine. Luckily I'm not a fool.

 

good scenario..how about you find two 4th gen guys in his area to vouch for legitimacy?
now how about someone take my bet of $100 on klown winning?

 

Klown should come to KC and race me.
Seriously, this thread is going to get locked soon. Let's talk about the VE vs. the VQ while it lasts.

 

For all I know Klown has nitrous and is heavily modded. Given the 3rd gen/4th gen partisianship displayed here, I wouldn't be inclined to believe anyone who vouched for his mods.

I also don't put up money online over stupid mine-is-better-than-yours bets with people I've never met in person.

 

So now I'm turboed, am spraying, and running on slicks now? Try intake and exhaust buddy. You made a claim that my 3rd gen would be smoked. I'm giving you a chance to back it up w/ hard evidence and make me look like a fool. Make a post in the midwest forum. There are several respected members that live in my area that could vouch for the race. Put up or shut up, simple as that.

 

What sort of race are you guys talking about. 1/4 mile? From a roll? Dead stop to a standing mile?

 

I'd be willing to go from a stop or a roll. Standing mile would get a little faster than I would prefer to go on the street

 

You will definitely be then. 205 foot pounds of torque and 190 hp. Even vs. a stock auto your mods wouldn't be enough. Make sure you tape it.
Get a VE in there too so we can put this all to rest lol.