datsun 810 = nissan maxima

 

 

fastest VQ is 14.0

technically the fastest VQ is the Alty with the intake at 13.9

 

But, that's a VQ35. Fair comparison since the majority of Nissan VQ/VE/VG engines are all 3 liters? IMHO The best VQ engine is in the 2K/2K1 Max b/c it got the most power out of 3 liters. If you do an hp/liter displacement comparo, the VQ35 comes out at 73 hp/liter. The VQ30DE-K comes out at 75 hp/liter.

If Nissan engineers were to look back at all their motors, i'm sure the VQ30DE-K will be one of their most proud achievements in a V6. Then there's the VH/VK engines in the Q ships etc.

DW

 

the fastest VQ @ 14.0 is a 1995 Maxima

 

Ahhhh. OK

DW

 

And who was that? If it's who I think it is (dirve a white 95 Max, guttend interior, no airbags, etc) he never was able to produce a timeslip and his listed mods on this site are a bit sketchy.


Anyways, let's get over the whole lack of respect thing. VE guys don't repsect VG guys, VQ (95-99) guys don't respect VE guys, 00-01 VQ guys don't respect VQ (95-99) guys, and VQ35 guys don't respect anybody Don't get so worked up about this. Who cares, really? Why not just go to the track, become a better driver, put up some very good ET/mph for the VE like Bryan H, and offer help. That's how you earn respect in this org.


Dave

 

well said.

 

that doesn't even work anymore. there's too many pansies that think we're here to serve them and wait on them hand and foot and divulge the knowledge it took us years of working and trial and error on our own cars to learn.

oh well. they'll appreciate us when they're older.

 

[/the typical dot orgy member mindset]

But Matt, moderating is your JOB. You get paid to do it, so you need to kiss the rears of those who pay your salary. Even if you don't get paid, you should bow down to the lemmings and serve them, offering to fly out and fix their cars or just simply diagnose the problem.

[/the typical dot orgy member mindset]

 

Thank you Matt.


I have said this before, i will say it again. I will help to a certain degree. I will NOT tell you everything because that is not how you learn, you do not stand on the shoulders of giants and steal their work and call it your own.

You do not learn anything by having everything fed to you through an e-mail or having someone else do the work for you.
Granted somethings you can not do yourself because physical capabilities are limited, tools, or what nots. thats a given, not everyone can put an intake on, not everyone can put a clutch in, not everyone can do a turbo set up just by looking at a motor.

if you guys actually think about this, there is tons and tons of information on this site that will help ANY maxima go faster, be more reliable, look better, handle better. you may have a different year of maxima, different motor, automatic, manual, or what have you. the point of this rant is, don't argue with each other, help each other, but know when to limit yourself....

 

oh shut up squishy

 

Man it's like Maxima Holy War in here.

 

but that's only because Red VE 5 speeds are better than red VQ 5 spds.

therefore it's my religious duty to kill anyone who thinks otherwise.
Death to all non-red VE 5 spd owners!

 

Now that is the only worthy post in the whole friggin thread!

 

I think you're being a bit extreme with the first part there. I understand that it sucks to be badgered with emails of people wanting you to do all the work for them and spell everything out, but if someone knowledgeable asks what you did, you tell them, and they do it themselves, that's progress. Without people sharing knowledge we would still be on horses.

You're right with the second part for sure. I get tired of the totally helpless emails I get even on the limited amount of stuff I have done. If someone is willing to put their minds and backs to work, I will give them the info they need to run with it. Otherwise, no comment.

I think that's what you meant so we are probably arguing (well, I am I guess) the same point.

Take care,

Jacob

 

Didn't you get the memo? Blue is the best colour!



-Jacob

 

Super Black is l33t.
Red just gets you speeding tickets easier

 

i help those who need it, to a certain degree. everyone does that, its human nature. survival of the fittest, so on and so forth
i know i can be harsh, everyone can, i just made a point, very clear actually. i will help, but only to a certain degree
spritey, bite me!

 

WOW! 12 pages of arguing and I think I will just end it all right now:























VG POWER!!

 

waits for ve/vq owners

 

VG is a great motor also. I love the fact that is an old Z non turbo. VE & VQ has the technology, but the VG is still great.

 

other than no strong top end, i liked mine.

 

I hear ya, you have got to love the low end. I think with some internal mods, the VG could hang with a VE or VQ. Problem is, it seems that the air flow just dies on the top end.

 

Oatmeal forever!

 

I read this thread for about 3 pages (30 ppp) but dayum, 7 now? Must be nothing but flaming now

Anyways, the Maxima is the car that originally turned me into an auto enthusiast way back in the early-90 days of the VE 3rd Gen's. My parents have always driven sedans and shunned the minivan and SUV craze so quite naturally I was influenced by them and was interested in sedans when it came to "fast" cars.

Back when the VE was new it was putting out 190 HP when the Camry V6 was barely making 150HP and before the Accord even had a V6 at all. 0-60 in less than 7-seconds made it the fastest 4 door sedan in the world and I thought that was freakin awesome! I remember all of the commercials that Nissan had of the business man taking some clients to lunch while daydreaming he was flying over cobblestone roads in Europe. And I remember Road & Track was giving away a VE 5spd Maxima and even though I was still years away from my driver's license I sent every single one of those forms in hoping I'd win the fastest family sedan in the world!

I didn't win!

Anyways, fast forward a decade and here I am and now the Maxima has VQ engines which have been on Ward's 10 Best Engines List since 1995. So does that make the VQ better than a VE? Nah, because Ward's didn't even start doing this until 1995, after the VE engine was no longer with us. If Ward's was doing this in the days of the VE I think you all know the VE would have been on there. Look at its competition. The big 3 were still pathetic back then, Toyota's Camry V6 was only 2.5L and 150 HP or so, and Honda didn't even make a V6 besides the NSX C30 engine. Of course, the Germans probably would have had a few entries on the list, but Nissan's VE definitely would have been on it for sure!

So is the VQ better? I think so. It's newer, and when engineers design new engines it's sorta the whole "idea" to make them better than the engine they're replacing because otherwise what good are they? What's the point? Why spend millions in R&D to develop a new engine if it's not any better than the old one?

Compared to the VE, the VQ is a much lighter engine and it also has better low/mid-range power. Up top it still makes 190 HP at the same RPM although because of the lack of VTC's maybe the VQ's power drops off a bit quicker after that, but it's still 190 HP.

They're both great engines.

The whole key here is RESPECT. Always respect your elders, in this case the VE engine. Without the lessons learned and the R&D work from the VE, the VQ wouldn't be what it is today. I think VQ drivers should respect VE drivers too because there are some fast-a$$ 3rd Gen VE's and with the LSD they can launch better too so watchout. Same thing goes for VQ35 drivers. If you get all cocky in your 3.5 you could easily have your butt handed to you by a VQ/VE driver who is on the ball (and who maybe has some mods too...hehehe)

In conclusion, I'd like to say that Nissan makes the best damned V6's on the planet and I'd have pride in owning one no matter what it was, VE, VQ, VG, whatever. I just happen to have a VQ, but we're all part of the same family so save the fighting for the Acura boys

 

VE's are your daddy! The forerunner for almost everything the VQ has.

 

*bangs head against monitor*

this is still going........

as for the VG guys all I have to say is Euro Cams(or better)....HELLO TOPEND!!!!!!!

 

but who's yo momma?!

 

VG ownz all nothign more nothing less

 

Okay.
What are you accomplishing with 1 video? Big deal... I can tell you how I raced my friends 99 M3 with an exhaust, chip and intake and kicked his *** with my stock automatic VQ.. A single run proves nothing, you are generalizing that because 1 time some VE pulled on some VQ that means that is it, the cars are equal or the VE is even better... That 1 video holds very little weight in supporting your argument.

Now, again, I owned both cars and I know a little bit about both... I will not compare just those 2 because my VE was not in that good of condition..

But, in general, lets see.......

- There have been plenty of 4th gen 5 speeds running high 14s stock.. how many VEs ran high 14s stock? .4-.5 of a second is a big difference at the track... so let's not say they are EQUAL.
- Handling.. stock for stock... yes, the VE probably better.. my beaten up VE with 100k miles and blown front struts handled better then my VQ, with almost 1/2 the miles and being 5 years newer. Then again, could be something wrong with my cars or I don't have the right feel for it...
- How many modded VEs are running mid 14s??? How many modded VQs are running low to mid 14s?
- How many 13 or 12 second VEs have you heard of?
- VQs are more reliable in general, yea the VE was the big brother of the VQ, but how does that make it a better or an equal engine? Nissan, much like all car manufacturers only IMPROVE with time and going to the next models..
- All that better to handle turbo talk is fairly insignificant as well... I have yet to hear of a turbo VE except Czar and i didn't really see how his car was able to handle boost better then the VQs.. he got rid of it along with the setup if i am not mistaken... yet there are a few VQ-Ts out there still running fine...


Bottom line,

#1---- to me.. there is a difference between the 2 engines... I am not saying VE is bad, I still love the car and miss my VE all the time, but the VQ was an improved version of the VE, as some have stated.. IMRPOVED = better... Again, VE is not bad, neither is the VQ but the VQ has an edge over it.
#2---- Let's not say, "...well, IF..." or could would or should.... because IF I could / would / should applies the same way to any car, not just the VE... Until it has been proven it holds no weight...
#3---- About the respect for VEs.... Who is hating? I haven't seen people 'hating' on the VE.. infact, i see more VQ hating amongst the 3rd genners about anything from the bubble looks to the 4X4 wheel gap and cost cut backs... But are any of the VQ people complaining or trying to prove something? Not that I have seen.. no one is bashing or "hating" on the VE... where is this coming from..

The VE is cool, VQ is cool... but they have their differences... if we are talking performance differences between the cars.. facts speak for themselves, not what if, or could be, or only if nissan would do this.. Any car can be turned into something else with the right $ or ideas, but until it has been done, it holds no weight so Let's get back to reality.

[/flaunting argumentative skills]

 

Just wait, there is a bunch of VE's that will soon be revealed, and you will see. We are all underground right now, building and planning. *Drool* will soon come out of your mouth. SteVTEC, I really appreciate your write up, and would like to say thank you. I only wish all VQ owners had the mind set of you.

 

well hom many people make SC's for the VE???

 

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LOCK THIS THREAD....just a hint....ITS NOT GONNA STOP!!!!!!!!!

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

true
but that's the idea... A 90 hp Civic CX hatchback can be made into a 9 second car because of the aftermarket.. This goes back to the whole "Could / should / would" thing.

Dmontz, I can't wait for these "projects" to be released (no scarcasm intended) if there really is something concrete here, because over the years I've noticed a lot of people like to talk but not follow through with anything. If something really is created and works, it would be certainly interesting

 

Look at your wheel gap J/P Only time will tell...

 

why dont you run against me dmontz?

 

I will, that is no problem at all. Only problem is, time and place. I live in Moreno Valley, and work from 9:00am-7:30pm, plus I have a GF, and son to take care of. But it will happen, and I have studied you. From what I gather, you will hang pretty close, since you have every mod possible. But the 5 speed should still get the nudge. It will be getting a flywheel, act clutch, and STS soon. Intake is going on this weekend.

 

buahahaha...i have intake, ypipe and a vb. you have more mods than me.

why dont you race me right now..since ur auto.