Hey Nigel! Would you please provide installation instructions for your turbo kit?

 

Yea, i agree with you. The piping is not something that will be described in detail nor will you get pics of it. Sorry

 

I dont mean just to see pics of it. I mean if I wanted to actually buy it, can that be done? I would like to buy the hardware as far as the custom pipes etc go and then buy the other parts like turbo,boost controllers etc as I go along.

SuDZ

 

i want to buy the ENTIRE kit...intercooler as well. Hopefully Nigel will be online sometime in the near future

 

I know what you ment. Although if you do buy it that way the price might change. Not sure on that, but i think they are discounting the price if you buy the kit.

 

Well that is another thing I was gauging is what the price would be for just the piping and if it is a different price for it withough the kit. I am not looking for it to be powder coated either. Mainly I just want to get the pipes first and work from there. Any idea waht the shops number or something is that I could call to ask them or anything?

SuDZ

 

Piece mealing a kit together is almost always more expensive unless you have access to super cheap prices. BTW, you can't just install the piping/turbo and then do the accessories. You are going to have to have a minimum amount of accessories in order to drive the car safely. If I remember correctly, this kit is fairly bare bones already. If you want to run the kit w/o the right pump/fpr/guages/bov/egt/af items, you might as well forget it.

BTW, I "had" a bare bones "kit" on my car. Scared the hell out of me that I coudn't see what the a/f was doing or what my fuel pressures were. Not worth it. Plus, the way it was set up, you couldn't go anywhere near WOT anyway for fear of detonation. So what's the point?

 

Words of Wisdom!

 

Turbo97se or nigel, if you get a chance, try and fit this kit on a VE 5 speed. If you can, I know it will open up more sales. They should fit, it is almost the same under the hood.

 

Which for some things I do. That is why I am curious.

I know this. But I am not saying that I am throwing it on and just waiting t o se how it goes. I will put in the gauges and fuel management. I dont plan on getting just the piping then driving around with it like that. It is just that I can get decent deals so I figured why not use them. It was all out of curiosity and seeing what I can get the rest at.

SuDZ

 

You also would need a wastegate and bov. So you are pretty much right the bare bones kit.

Anyway, you are not really paying for xxx equipment and xxx amount of pipe. It's the research and development that went into it also. ie.. which bov, which turbo, which wastegate, what settings, turbo location, pipe design etc...

Unless you don't really count your TIME and hassle for buying everything piecemeal, it becomes a wash in the end.

 

Hi guys

Sorry for not keeping up on this. The last I looked about 1 week ago now, the thread had dropped off the first page. I have been getting many inqiries through email so thought that the thread was pretty much dead. My bad!

Right now I am travelling in Asia - China, Japan, Taiwan and Singapore. Getting a connection overseas in certain countries is not easy so please understand.

Anyway, let me see if I can address a few issues:

1. I will be the first to admit, the kit is fairly bare bones. It is designed to get you started. You cannot run high boost with the kit without enhancements. To get to where I am, which is 10.8 psi, you need the intercooled kit with fuel pump. Things like eleveation, ambient temperature type of gas you can get (octane level) all affect this. At a minimum you would need an EGT installed in the right place (in the exhaust manifolds or very close to it) and boost gauge. We don't provide any gauges because there are SOOOOO many gauges out there. I highly recommend the electronic warning boost gauges even though they are much more expensive (like Omori or Greddy) they warn you audilbly and visibly if you are in danger zones.

2. The guys are right. There was a lot of effort put into this kit. I had my car in the shop for three weeks. I had to wait almost 4 weeks for all the parts to come before that! If you buy the kit and see it, it looks so straightforward. If you look at my kit though, there were quite a few mistakes made along the way, so it doesn't look quite perfect cosmetically.

3. Buying kit in parts. I can understand that this is quite an expensive kit. But with the amount of flexibility it gives, I think it is worth it for sure. Buying the kit in parts is OK, but like Kirk said you will probably end up paying more or at least the same. The common parts such as turbo, wastegate, BOV etc, they try to give a good deal on these parts since they are part of the kit and they can buy these part in bulk for other projects. Some of the parts are custom sized - the intercooler and the trim for the compressor are custom. They would be special requests from Turbonetics/Spearco. Others will definitely fit but will they be optimized?

4. My set up is as follows:

TO4E turbocharger
Spearco intercooler
powdercoated I/C pipes
Tial wastegate
HKS SSBOV
Vortech 12:1 FMU
Walbro 255 lph fuel pump
HKS EVC IV boost controller
Greddy warning EGT
Greddy warning boost gauge
2 step colder copper plugs

running conditions
5500 ft above sea-level
91 Octane fuel
80 deg F
barometric air pressure ??
10.8 psi (or was it 10.93?....see my sig)
no detonation but warm! 820C EGT
no compression problems ... yet

Issues Faced so far
oil leak (fixed)
clutch slipping (not yet fixed but not slipping quite as bad ... weird!)
bad torque steer

Options for the future
try a T3/TO4E - never got chance to try this.
try S-AFC and maybe larger injectors.
build engine for boost
engine management system. I am trying to find a sponsor to design and build one myself. It is complex but can be done. All I need is a complete engine and transmission. Oh and I also need TIME

Well that's about it. If you have q's, please email me, the link should be there now.

As far as VEs go, I don't think so, unless we see some genuine interest. The first actual order will spark off a kit. The first person will have to be patient though and be willing to come up with some upfront cost.

For 5th gens it is entirely possible to do this kit. they CAN make this kit for 5th gens, no problem! The first order would go slow (4-5 weeks) but not much upfront cost since it is so similar. I drove a 2002 Maxima (my rental car to the airport), it looks a little tight in the enginebay up top but didn't seem too bad below. Space would be the only constraint here. Without taking actual measurements, it's hard to say.

Oh one more thing. b-pipe will help but not that much. You should get an entire catback. The stock exhaust is very restrictive especially the part right after the resonator where the b pipe is but just in general it is not good. It would be interesting to know how much it helps though.

Thanks for the interest.

Nigel

 

The only difference between the VE and the VQ kit, would be fitment. But it shouldnt be too much different, since they have the same style set up. It would just take some custom bending. Maybe a 3rd genner on the board will step it up, and make the cash...I am not saying names!!!

 

How was your gas mileage effected?

 

So i did a little experiment.

1. I drove without paying attention to the way I drive just drove according to road conditions.

2. Tried to make sure I did not push the car hard i.e. low psi and non-agressive driving and mostly cruise speeds.

For 1. My gas mileage went way down cos I drivemore agressively now! It's too tempting to do! So I get about 18-19 miles/gallon

For 2. My gas mileage was the same as before I started any mods - 26 miles/gallon

Overall I get about 22-23 mpg.

You use a lot more gas under heavy boost and driving, but that's to be expected. When cruising it's not under boost so consumes same as NA.

 

Nigel,
Can this kit be installed by any shop we took it to?

 

With any type of BOOST application, installation is only half the battle. The key to success is TUNING

 

well, of course. I'm hoping that will go hand in hand with the installation

 

Watch out, usually it doesnt.

 

You are completely correct. However, if you just want to get 350 HP and 350 ft-lbs of torque, very little tuning is necessary. This is the nice thing about having a MAF system. If you want to start playing with tuning with SAFC or with complete engine management, it gets very difficult very quickly!

My system is largely untuned. I am sure I can get better performance throughout the rev range, especially in the lower band where it really runs fat! If I leaned it out some in the lower rev range it would be quite the neck jerker! If I can fatten it up in the higher rev range, I could maybe run higher boost.

 

How reliable would the turbo be if I ran low amounts of boost like around 4 lbs like you are with an automatic???? I don't want to run the chances of blowing up my engine any info would be helpful

 

Ok, so what is the deal now? I mean pricing, whats included etc...and who are they avail thru etc...

 

The turbo itself is pretty reliable in itself at most boost ranges if it is properly lubricated and taken care of with turbo timer to tun engine to cool down etc.

The engine should be very reliable at 4 psi. Our engines are pretty bulletproof if taken care of properly with regular oil changes etc. I cannot claim that your engine will last as long as naturally aspirated since I have no proof of that and also the physics would suggest that it would not last as long.

I check my compression every month or so, I'll probably cut down on that cos it's such a pain to pull ALL the plugs. I did it to check for reliablility under higher boost like 10 psi. It is still fine! 100% compression. That is only after 3 months though. Chances of blowing up your engine are low at 4 psi but I challenge you to keep it at 4 psi for more than 1 month! You will feel greedy and it is very easy to turn up the boost! I bet you'd be running at at least 8 psi within 2 months!

 

Pricing is on page 1. Let me know if you are interested. The shop has just authorized me to do the pricing for them so I can give you quotes directly for different configurations rather than going back and forth.

 

I am sorry but do you guys do installs etc? I am interested in this but need to work a little bit this summer, then probobaly

 

hey turbo how reliable is it with a auto tho??????? I get regular oil changes and I havnen't had any problems with my car and it's got almost 70000 on the odometer

 

Thus far there is no auto with it on it. They are still fabricating piping for it. 70,000 isnt that bad, but I'd do a compression check. Once the turbo has been put on an auto we will better know the reliability of it and if the tranny needs to be built up to handle it.

***maximaracer28 - The shop will more than likely do the install for you if you drive to them. They not only built the kit for Nigel, they also installed it and tuned it. It is a CO shop so feel free to drive up here after you work it out with Nigel.

 

The turbo is reliable, the auto tranny may not be! We are concerned about the amount of torque the engine puts out for the tranny to handle at higher boost. At low boost you should be OK .... maybe! At 5.5 psi the torque is about 270 ft-lbs at 9.3 psi it is 349! My clutch wouldn't hold and I don't think the auto tranny will either!

 

I am not sure yet what I will do, this summer I am working a lot of hours and car is almost payed off, so I am thinking for a senior project I will do a turbo or sc. I am leaning towards a supercharger right now only because a complete kit right now used is about $2500 which isnt too bad, as far as a turbo its about the same but you still need a bov, and other parts and honestly I wouldnt know where to begin as far as an install goes. Also, where are you guys located? I assume somewhere in the west since thats where all the fun happens? Anyways, I will keep looking into this and I know that after an sc or turbo first thing I do is the 5 spd swap with an act clutch and the cryo treatment....

 

I would not trust a used SC kit... From reading other threads, the Vortech blower does not last more than 1-2 years! Even the manufacturer warranty is only 1 year... Just be careful!

Just my 0.02

 

on the shops site it says $4000 installed

 

Their pricing is incorrect. I had talked to them about this. If they were selling it for $4000 and I was advertising for higher, that would be a bad deal for you guys. You are welcome to call them. If you really can get it for $4000 installed, I will publicly apologize and remove this thread. I hate being caught in the middle of situations like this where there are pricing discrepencies.

 

so....it's $4000 installed?? or 4000 for just the parts alone?

 

What is their web site?

 

www.pfispeed.com

 

its not letting me pull up their site its saying its restricted or something then it sedns me to search and the listing is there but when i click on it under search its an error

 

their site seems to be temporarily down, it was working the other day...just wait a few days i guess.

 

I was first interested in a supercharger but after owning a 95 shelby 2.2 turbo and a buick 3.8 intercooled turbo-t.
The turbo bug has bit me once again after reading this sometimes complicated thread.
Interested in a automagic setup
Once you get that turbo bug....nothing else matters

 

Any of you guys considering boost should seriously look at this.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....87#post1108787

 

still no autos tested yet?
and let's get the price set here. how much is it for the parts?
and how much will it take to get it installed at a local shop?