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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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Here's how I did the pulley - correct me if its wrong.

Old Mar 13, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Subscribed for thoughts on that diagram ^^ and alignment discussion.
Sorry that I could not be of help jordandalley, I would however like to sit in on this discussion......
Old Mar 13, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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no worries

supercharging is turning out to be a real love-hate relationship
Old Mar 13, 2008 | 08:30 PM
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Ok - here goes the pics..

Macro shot of tensioner pulley from under car:


Misc assorted pulleys and tensioner:


Slightly chewed belt view from top of charger:


View of belt going down to tensioner pulley from charger pulley:


Same as above:

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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jordandalley
Here's how I did the pulley - correct me if its wrong.

Your bolt (brown) is turned so the square portion fits squarely in the tensioner plate (red/pink) track, right? Meaning it sits "square" and not "diamond".

When you say 'bearing' (orange), you mean spacer, right?

You are using the pulley "with side rails", right (gray)?

Metal sleeve inserted inside the pulley (not shown)?

the pulley (gray) is graphics side out, right?

You are missing one washer between your pulley (gray) and nut (blue).

That washer might make a difference and keep the pulley more stable. It should be your stock/OEM washer so you should still have it.
Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Oh, I forgot that you have a metal pulley. So scratch some of what I said. But I still think the washer is important. Hey, another thing Jordan, and I don't believe we "talked" about this yet... did you shave/cut the post on the V2 plate to make room for the smaller (3.125") pulley? Is there any chance your belt is hitting somewhere on the pate? (although it does look like it is fraying on the opposite side).

Are you sure this metal pulley has the same dimensions as the stock pulley, both in width/thickness and diameter?

- Josh

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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Yes - the Brown bolt is squarely in its tracks

The "Bearing" is kinda this thing that inserts into the pulley and allows it to rotate. I guess its a spacer?

Yes - the pulley has side rails and is smaller than the stock pulley.

Metal sleeve??? Now you've lost me. Could I be getting this mixed up with the "bearing"? In which case - is there meant to be a spacer in there? How did my photos look to you?

Ok - one washer missing - i'll fix that up.

Pulley faces with graphics on outside - yes.

Once again - thanks for your help ptatohed.

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Your bolt (brown) is turned so the square portion fits squarely in the tensioner plate (red/pink) track, right? Meaning it sits "square" and not "diamond".

When you say 'bearing' (orange), you mean spacer, right?

You are using the pulley "with side rails", right (gray)?

Metal sleeve inserted inside the pulley (not shown)?

the pulley (gray) is graphics side out, right?

You are missing one washer between your pulley (gray) and nut (blue).

That washer might make a difference and keep the pulley more stable. It should be your stock/OEM washer so you should still have it.
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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Here is the "sleeve" (metal pulley vs Stillen "OE") that needs to be pressed into the Idler pulley's bearing's hole to make it the proper (smaller) diameter of the bolt:



Here is the ground down part of the V2 bracket for my smaller 3.12" pulley:

Old Mar 14, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Ok, thanks for that Chunger, but I'm pretty sure my aftermarket metal pulley has that as it fits onto the bolt like it was meant to go there.

As for the plate - since my kit was second hand, the 3.125" pulley was already on the charger and plate when I got it, so I just simply bolted it on.

I just had a look at the plate and I dont even see a stalk on the plate that is even remotely close to obstructing the belt. Not even by a long shot. There is literally nothing in the way as far as the plate is concerned. Could the previous owner have filed it completely off??

Here is a couple of pics of my tensioner pulley - this is what I have. Sorry I didnt want to take the pulley tensioner plate off - its a pain in the butt.






Yes - I now realise that the "bearing" I described is actually a spacer. I realise now the bearing is actually inside the pulley. Duh.. :P

I am however about to order a new V1 conversion plate off Matty. I'm hoping this solves all my issues as I have a feeling the plate is flexing because I cant put anything else to the problem. Everything lines up, everything looks as if it was fine when the belt decided it wanted to wander off the pulleys. Could the belt have been tensioned too loosely? It didnt seem to be as i still got full boost...

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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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Ok, thanks for that Chunger, but I'm pretty sure my aftermarket metal pulley has that as it fits onto the bolt like it was meant to go there. However I will pull the whole thing off and check everything.
I doubt your aftermarket pulley's ID is proper as it has a standardized bearing with a hole too large. I could be wrong but I don't think so. My steel pulley set is from ASP and they didn't include a sleeve for the "rail-less" idler pulley. Everytime I changed new bearings i had to put in a new sleeve. Now I have to "remove" and transfer that sleeve because Stillen no longer sells it.
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 11:20 PM
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Hmm - the idler pulley is from ASP. The pulley I showed you there was my tensioner pulley - sorry - I misread your last post.

One thing of interest is that my plate came like this - it seems there are more bolt holes than are actually used. Is this normal?? I'm only using four counter-sunk hex bolts




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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 06:06 AM
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Yea four hex nuts is the Norm.

As you look down from the SC, do your belts touch? Do you have the standoff bolts in?
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 06:21 AM
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No I dont have the standoff bolts. They werent included in my second hand kit. I'm beginning to think theyre vital in order to stop the plate flexing.

No my belt doesnt touch. It comes close though. I'm talking < 5mm

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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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From your photo you are missing several S/C to plate mounting bolts. If that large post is completely cut off like yours is, it also weakens the assembly (yes I know many people have done this on the board) as does not having standoff bolts (2) installed. This is why I don't feel that all problems are from the V2 plate because people have modified/not completely installed fasteners...
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chunger
From your photo you are missing several S/C to plate mounting bolts. If that large post is completely cut off like yours is, it also weakens the assembly (yes I know many people have done this on the board) as does not having standoff bolts (2) installed. This is why I don't feel that all problems are from the V2 plate because people have modified/not completely installed fasteners...
Ok - well solved then. I'll get a matty conversion plate

Theres another grand or so down the toilet. Cars are expensive huh?? :P
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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...Cars are expensive huh?? :P
Tell me about it....


Luckily i'm done with my beast.

Have fun.
Old Mar 16, 2008 | 02:41 AM
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I'll be having fun when it's all finished
Old Mar 23, 2008 | 03:59 AM
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i was having belt shredding then i bought the complete bolt kit from Matty for $67 bucks changed my belt myself and havent had belt shredding issues in 2weeks already and i have a V2
Old Mar 23, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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That's funny - I asked matty for a bolt kit and he didnt have the standoff bolts I was missing since he only does the V1's.
Old Mar 23, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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That's funny - I asked matty for a bolt kit and he didnt have the standoff bolts I was missing since he only does the V1's.
I dont. He recieved the SAME BOLT kit you are getting
Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:59 PM
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For a V2??? V1's dont have standoff bolts do they?

I'm not worried matty. Your plates look way more robust than the stillen ones. I struggled to come to terms with the reliability of an alloy plate under such an application. Peace of mind is a plate from matty
Old Mar 30, 2008 | 01:33 PM
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missing bolts will make your belt jump. Attempt to complete your kit as much as possible.
Old Mar 30, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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Where can we find standoff bolts or do we have to make them using washers?
Old Mar 30, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Well this is exactly the problem. I don't think you can. They're a special bolt set made especially for the V2 kit.

Stillen dont stock them anymore either.

Your only bet is to get an engineering place to custom make you some.

I just ended up buying matty's v1 conversion kit.
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