3g94MaxGXE

I've recently been thinking, the VG33ER supercharger would probably be an easy way to convert a VG30E to forced induction.

The question is would it bolt on and how hard would it be to tune for....like would you need to order a custom ECU tune off JWT or would an adjustable FPR or new injectors or something work?

Just a theoretical question...at least for now.

Tatanko

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That supercharger isn't worth your time. It's an Eaton M62, which IMO is too small for a 6-cylinder. The M90 is barely adequate for a 6-cylinder and this is a good bit smaller. So, even if you could make it work, I don't think it's worth your time. Go turbo instead There's cheap, easy ways of doing that now you know!

ChrisMan287

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Turbo FTW!

3g94MaxGXE

In theory I prefer turbos but the turbocharged 3rd gen has been done before and in addition I'm BIG on low end (though...my tires seem to disagree with me there). It's more likely that I'll get a T3/T04E and try to make somewhere between 250-400hp but I'm trying not to get ahead of myself yet.

Tatanko

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Torque and FWD aren't really a great mix, and you'll get plenty of torque with the turbo anyway.

Maxpwer

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You need to do a LOT more research before you even consider this. There are many different ways to tune for this, which method you chose should be based on your budget, tuning abilities and how much control you want.

Bottom line is, this super charger is a lot of work for very little gain. You think it will even fit under the hood?

Torgus

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m62s and m90s are FINE for a v6 like ours fwiw. look at what all the 3800 guys do with them...

regardless i'd do a remote mount turbo cheap and easy.

kzoosho

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The m90's on the 3800's run out of breath. Really look at those guys. they are twin charging or going turbo.

Tatanko

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And every last one of them complains about how the M90 is basically a heat pump. Spend much time on the boards? Also, you just lumped the M62 in there which is much smaller than the already inadequate M90. Don't do that.

nwell2k3

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I think you should go for it. The M90's are around around $700 bucks new and $200 and up used. Just know that compared to a Vortech. The M90 is less efficient. And the instant boost will give you traction issues...

If your serious look into Whipple and Lysholm

I was looking into buying a Grand Prix Gtp before I got my Turbo Max so I too have been spending alot of time on 3800performance, grandprix.net, clubgp.com

http://superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=76

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/te...iew/index.html

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/fo...RvsLYSHOLM.pdf

Tatanko

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Everyone is forgetting that he wanted this to be "easy" as per his original post. I'm assuming he also probably doesn't want to spend a ton of money. Any of these suggestions thus far are going to require plenty of custom work and originality (read: not easy), and will likely cost him a pretty penny.

3g94MaxGXE

I've got a bunch of research packed away in my head, it's the practical experience and a lack of understanding of the electrical aspects of cars that keep me thinking rather than doing.

Easy as in not a big headache. I don't mind putting some time into it if everything goes smoothly on a project. I am studying to be machinist so I know my way around a mill and a lathe and can do that sort of custom work. Though you are right, I hate wasting any more money than need be. If I could get a used supercharger parted off of a Xterra/Frontier on ebay and get a new belt and so be it I could see no reason except traction and fuel economy to do this.

Someone mentioned a remote mounted turbo which was my previous plan for my car if I ever went with forced induction after all from what I've heard the exhaust temperatures are low enough towards the back of the exhaust piping that I wouldn't ever need to worry about letting my car run to cool the turbo after driving it hard, not to mention again I haven't heard of a 3rd gen packing a remote mounted turbo. Some things that does have me thinking I don't want to go this route though is the fact that intake piping takes up space under the car that I don't know that I have and of course Maxima's are front wheel drive so if I want to get good grip on acceleration I want to be really nose heavy.

96blkonblkse

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The M62s are useless on the VG33ER for anything over stock boost. I know a few people who complain about them all the time. The M90 is well suited for the 4cyl Cobalt/Saturn Redline. To top it off, inheritly, i dont believe the VG has tons of top end to loose, so a M90 may even be a little on the small side.

But for those ney sayers..the instant torque of the M90 and the supercharger whine..oh my god..its amazing. Try a Stillen Stg3 SC on a titan for off the line torque..with 24's and 315's you can break them loose the instant you hit the throttle.

Take it from ZZ Performance..Even though the Cobalt came standard with the Eaton M62, and you can upgrade to the M90, they recommend turbo, just because of the ease and limitless boost in theory.

kzoosho

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They are right in my back yard literally. I am in ZZP all the time and see them remove tons of blowers because they are too small. Trust me i get to play with all of the cars that come out of there including the 7 second gtp that has well um 2 turbos lol.

Torgus

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stock on the 3800 the m90 provides around 9lbs of boost...
guys run VERY low 11s with them
and dyno well over 400HP with them

it would be fine and they are cheap as sheat.

should the op do it? no just turbo charge it. but the facts about the m90s saying they would be bad to use is just whack. and yes i used to hangout on alot of the 3800 websites but silly ol me got banned for educating newbz.

kzoosho

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A stock m90 is NOT going to get you into 11's. Those guys run spray and ported blowers.

Torgus

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lolz.

omg a ported blower. a whole hour with a dremel it's a 'free' mod...

Ed Morad who is VERY well known in the 3800 circles ran a 11.458 @ 120.83 (1.674 60') NA in a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP with a gen 3 m90 which was 'ported'

sorry mid 11s. either way it proves the m90 is fine. porting it is very easy and i bet Ed would have still broke the 11s as a ported blower isn't going to drop you from 12s to 11.4s.

tod allen hit 12.1 with a m90 in a bonni as well.

Tatanko

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Torgus, I think what we're saying is that you make it sound much easier than it actually is.

Torgus

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oh i still don't think the op should use either of them. i think he should turbocharge it, as it'll probably end up being cheaper and easier imo.

i'm just pointing out that they work just fine. as when i saw the m90 being bashed on i thought i should 'stick up' for it.

I'v been in a bonnieville which runs low 12s with an m90. it's bad *** i love to hear it whine.

kzoosho

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Well i hate superchargers and most smart people get rid of the supercharger as well lol.

Tatanko

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I understand. My old '95 Max almost got an M90 last spring but I decided to demod it at that point before that happened. I still think it's a neat idea but I won't ever do it because it's not cost effective.

nwell2k3

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This is what the Op would have to do to adapt the roots type blower to our car.
This is where the cost will become an issue.. I have seen these kits used for $2500. They are hard to find.

Torgus

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or just use a double pulley, offset the M90 if you can't get a belt up to it straight up and down because he's going to have to make a custom IM anyways...right?

a company makes a sc for the 5th gen that works the same way fwiw as the one you posted.

3g94MaxGXE

I'd use a double pulley or fabricate something like this. I do have spare time, spare metal and lathe/mill access (as I've stated before). So $2500 I wouldn't have to spend.

I'm not a huge fan of superchargers either, just as I said looking for something different to do. I'm having second thoughts about remote mounting a turbo though since that's a lot of extra intake piping.

2404ever

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here is pic for my 240sx /vq35de with m62 frontier supecharger runs 7 psi.and planty of torque

Tatanko

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Interesting. MORE INFO NOW. I demand it

93altima

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wheres your alt. belt?

thomaspatrickwilson

Who made that kit? That's really well done I'd like to get my hands on one for my VQ35DE mounted in my i35.

thomaspatrickwilson

Who made this kit?