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Old Mar 31, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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I think the point you're missing is that when you use a two-post lift, the chassis flex/stretch, whatever you want to call it, is that of an unnatural, unloaded state. Weld on SFCs when the car is suspended in this state, and you pretty much help to 'lock' the chassis in that flexed, unnatural postion. When you drop the car and put it under load, the car will not sit naturally as the SFCs are preventing the car's chassis from flexing back to that natural, loaded position.
I agree with this in our photos the car is on a two post lift i would not reccomend this type of lift for an install. I dont have four post here in the garage so its easier for me to put the car up on the lift to take pictures than try
to get good shots from the floor. Sorry for any confusion. Most muffler shops should have a four post lift available.
Old Mar 31, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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Well the best way is with the wheels loaded, but I think you can get away with a 4 post lift as shown in the pics on page 2. Just by no means use a 2 post lift.

Sorry for my stupid post. I was assuming 4 post meant the points that the car was lifted at, not the actual amount of posts in the ground that lifted the car.

Thank you for the correction. This definitely puts me in a predicament though because when I buy a set I don't have a clue where I'm going to get it installed. Every place I've checked so far only have 2 post lifts.
Old Apr 1, 2007 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by natty99
I think the point you're missing is that when you use a two-post lift, the chassis flex/stretch, whatever you want to call it, is that of an unnatural, unloaded state. Weld on SFCs when the car is suspended in this state, and you pretty much help to 'lock' the chassis in that flexed, unnatural postion. When you drop the car and put it under load, the car will not sit naturally as the SFCs are preventing the car's chassis from flexing back to that natural, loaded position.
yes i understand the concept im just saying that i dont think the max on a 2 post lift will be put on "enough" of an unnatural unloaded state to prevent the chassis from flexing back...Even if it could, the chassis on the max is so flimsy i could probably even c it stretching back to normal even with the SFCs on....
Old Apr 1, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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Alright guys I have an update for you. We here at Truax Motorsports have made a decision there isnt going to be a stage 1,2 or 3. They are simply going to be subframe connectors this will include our cross brace and x bracing. This way its easier for all parties considered. The clearance should not be an issue. NCSU_MAX your set has been upgraded at no charge to you. (thanks for sticking your neck out and being the first guy) The other set on ebay thats now for sale will also be upgraded for what it goes for. Think of this as an introductory price. Heres some pics.



The cross pieces are half inch tubular steel.
we will be listing more sets on ebay tomorrow night.

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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Sweet I will buy mine soon and post a good review with lots of pics
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by XeroX
yes i understand the concept im just saying that i dont think the max on a 2 post lift will be put on "enough" of an unnatural unloaded state to prevent the chassis from flexing back...Even if it could, the chassis on the max is so flimsy i could probably even c it stretching back to normal even with the SFCs on....

it wasn't the concept that I was trying to explain to you. My point is, if in fact the chassis does "stretch", when it is on a two post lift, it won't stretch back fully to the natural, loaded state when dropped. How can it? I don't see your logic. If the chassis is so "flimsy", how could it stretch back to normal when the SFCs are resisting the very movement afforded by that "flimsiness"?
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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good thing i still check this forum..... i'm glad someone is finally making these!
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:08 AM
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This thread has been very beneficial. it was good to see some debating without arguing.
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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HOLY CRAP!
Ok, so make some available for the 5th gen and i'll be the first for sure!

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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Wow!! Thanks so much!! Ill definitely get these installed asap!

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by phenryiv1
This thread has been very beneficial. it was good to see some debating without arguing.
Amen......
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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If want some flamage I can get some started


Anyways, someone should donate money to the kevlo mod fund so I can buy some things
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 12:51 PM
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Anyways, someone should donate money to the kevlo mod fund so I can buy some things
You know, I was just thinking the same thing... but I was thinking it should be the jsmax fund.
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by natty99
it wasn't the concept that I was trying to explain to you. My point is, if in fact the chassis does "stretch", when it is on a two post lift, it won't stretch back fully to the natural, loaded state when dropped. How can it? I don't see your logic. If the chassis is so "flimsy", how could it stretch back to normal when the SFCs are resisting the very movement afforded by that "flimsiness"?
I dont know really, im sure your right. I have just noticed from just jacking up the max, that there is alot of movment in the frame, i hate to make it sound like ic the max "bending" when i jack it up, but i dont know how else to describe it...this is what i mean when i say "flimsy" with so much movement, i couldnt c how the frame could be held in a unloaded position with these SFCs enough to prevent you from closing the doors...

is it wrong to believe that even if you WERE able to to get that much flexing in the frame before you welded these on a 2 post lift that the welds would break? Flame if you want, i learn alot on the org. teach me some more!

Originally Posted by funky_monkey58
Is there a way that maybe you can switch the direction of the bolts for this center peice? I realize ground clearance shouldnt be sacraficed that much with these, however, i could c those bolts being hit on the ground....this could be a PITA getting the nuts off if that were to happen if and when you want to take the SFCs off...Wouldnt hurt if you could just flip them over....Just an idea....
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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I dont know really, im sure your right. I have just noticed from just jacking up the max, that there is alot of movment in the frame, i hate to make it sound like ic the max "bending" when i jack it up, but i dont know how else to describe it...this is what i mean when i say "flimsy" with so much movement, i couldnt c how the frame could be held in a unloaded position with these SFCs enough to prevent you from closing the doors...

is it wrong to believe that even if you WERE able to to get that much flexing in the frame before you welded these on a 2 post lift that the welds would break? Flame if you want, i learn alot on the org. teach me some more!



Is there a way that maybe you can switch the direction of the bolts for this center peice? I realize ground clearance shouldnt be sacraficed that much with these, however, i could c those bolts being hit on the ground....this could be a PITA getting the nuts off if that were to happen if and when you want to take the SFCs off...Wouldnt hurt if you could just flip them over....Just an idea....
Yeah, for serial... I already scrape my undercarriage enough as it is...
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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Is there a way that maybe you can switch the direction of the bolts for this center peice? I realize ground clearance shouldnt be sacraficed that much with these, however, i could c those bolts being hit on the ground....this could be a PITA getting the nuts off if that were to happen if and when you want to take the SFCs off...Wouldnt hurt if you could just flip them over....Just an idea....
They face down for exhaust clearance. So how about this idea instead We just use a slightly shorter bolt.
heres a new link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...spagenameZWDVW


Thanks for all your interest.
Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:04 AM
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How about a Group Deal?
Old Apr 3, 2007 | 01:48 PM
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They face down for exhaust clearance. So how about this idea instead We just use a slightly shorter bolt.
heres a new link.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...spagenameZWDVW


Thanks for all your interest.
Yea i was thinking the same thing after i posted...not a big deal just an idea 2 thro out there...

Seriously tho! would you be willing to set up a GD?
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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How about a Group Deal?
Hmm if you want one make a thread in the group buy request forum. I think we could do something like that.
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 01:40 PM
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Alright Done, Group Deal Time.
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 01:43 PM
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Alright i just need to contact an admin to become a sponsor then we can get this ball rolling.
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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I'm a sponsor, and I've done plenty of group deals on here... Let me know if you want to try to work something out with me.

Thanks,
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 02:58 PM
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SFCs are in and appear to be very high quality pieces. I plan to have them welded on this thursday or so and will report back with reviews/pictures/etc. asap.
Old Apr 8, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NCSU_MAX
SFCs are in and appear to be very high quality pieces. I plan to have them welded on this thursday or so and will report back with reviews/pictures/etc. asap.

sounds good. and just to clarify, this was just stage 1, right?
Old Apr 8, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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actually its all 3 stages I guess. From what I understand theyve decided to sell everything as a package so not only am i getting the bars that run parallel with the car but also the X bracing (see page 3 pics).
Old Apr 8, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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wheres the group deal?
Old Apr 8, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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I'll be starting the thread in a couple of days.
4th gen only at this point.
Only 25 available for the first one.

Thanks,

Mike
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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This is excellent. Does anyone know how the 1x2 rectangular 11 gauge steel they're using compares to circular DOM tubing in strength? The rectangular looks nicer and is easier to weld tabs to but I suspect it's not as strong.

The cross bracing looks a little thin for my tastes but its better than nothing. The main "stage 1" part is more important anyway.

Funky_monkey, how much would you guys charge to install a set for me if I drove up to your shop? One last question for you, do you have any close-ups of the rear-most part? Is it actually welded to the rear subframe?
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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VQuick As of right now I dont really want to get into the habbit of installing these here at our shop. I do have a guy i could line you up with in this area thoug.
And on the 4th gen i didnt attach the rear most tab to the rail.
Old Apr 11, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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And on the 4th gen i didnt attach the rear most tab to the rail.
Why not? I'd think that would make a big difference.
Old Apr 16, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Circular Dom tubing seems to have more torsional strength when compared to rectangular. Anyone want to add to this?
Old Apr 16, 2007 | 10:46 AM
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Torsional rigidity means nothing in this application.
Old Apr 16, 2007 | 04:21 PM
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Hmmm, so has anyone gotten these shipped in an installed ? I am extremely curious about how much it has helped with frame flex and how noticeable it is? After spending $200-500 on parts that help the frame vs spending none of that and just over a grand for really good suspension setup, its all ideas to play with, please dont flame, im still a learning noob also =)
Old Apr 16, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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mOOnjal heres a link to a review
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=517733
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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5th gen sets are available!!
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