maxima chugging at start up, runs rough
#1
maxima chugging at start up, runs rough
i originally had an egr code, but after scanning it last night there was no codes at all. i saw another thread that indicated a maf problem and wondered if that might be the issue. i don't drive her all the time anymore, just 2-3 days a week as i have another car now. i noticed on rainy humid days like the last 2 she runs really rough, always has. any help would be appreciated as once she warms up she's usually purring like a kitten.
#4
Originally Posted by Fakie J Farkerton
Swap out the MAF and end the guessing game.
However, I guess I'm not sure where you guys are finding viable replacement pieces.
I'm pretty certain that, although still fully functional, mine is exhibiting symptoms of weakening and I'd like to change it out. However, used/salvaged seems to be only option.
My car is 16 years old and is honestly in near pristine condition ... under to the hood as well as everywhere else. I've owned it since brand new and I can guarantee you that this car has been quite meticulously maintained and I do tend to coddle it a bit obsessively.
So ... a MAF, in a car cared for and maintained like mine that's beginning to fail after 16 years and 147K miles (~9,200 mi/yr.) makes any used part I might be able to find very questionable in my mind as being in any better condition.
Am I making any sense?
Last edited by Turbobink; 12-03-2015 at 09:46 AM.
#6
You can get new a MAF on rock auto. They're something like $100. Before I spend $100 on a maybe, I would get one from a junk yard and see if that really solves the problem.
Another thing I would check is the ECTS. If that is reporting a colder temperature then what it should, that would make the fuel mixture too rich and cause chugging. Either measure the resistance or use an OBD reader when the engine/sensor is cold.
Another thing I would check is the ECTS. If that is reporting a colder temperature then what it should, that would make the fuel mixture too rich and cause chugging. Either measure the resistance or use an OBD reader when the engine/sensor is cold.
#8
i originally had an egr code, but after scanning it last night there was no codes at all. i saw another thread that indicated a maf problem and wondered if that might be the issue. i don't drive her all the time anymore, just 2-3 days a week as i have another car now. i noticed on rainy humid days like the last 2 she runs really rough, always has. any help would be appreciated as once she warms up she's usually purring like a kitten.
#9
Your fuel pressure regulator may be the culprit.
#10
128,000??? i got my max at 129,000 over 10 years ago!!! now she's at 275,000!!! only thing i had going on back then was a temperature sensor and front pads/rotors. pretty sure i'd rather swap a lower mileage motor in maxy at this point. just want to get her through the winter so i can do that.
#11
128,000??? i got my max at 129,000 over 10 years ago!!! now she's at 275,000!!! only thing i had going on back then was a temperature sensor and front pads/rotors. pretty sure i'd rather swap a lower mileage motor in maxy at this point. just want to get her through the winter so i can do that.
#12
That's what another member suggested to me yesterday. Someone else mentioned the ects being a possible culprit. The warehouse has that and I'm waiting on the regulator to come as well. I hope one or both solve my starting issues.
#13
Fellow spoonfeeders unite!
#14
I usually try to keep a couple of spare MAFs in my workshop. Though I've used up my stock over the past couple of years.
To build up an inventory of working MAFs, I would purchase one from my local salvage yard, take it home clean it, let it dry overnight, then put it in the car to test it.
If the car ran good on the used MAF for a week, then I would keep it in the car and keep the other known working MAF in the workshop as a spare.
If failing MAF symptoms started with the used MAF, I would return it for credit or refund and find another donor.
Usually I would find one good MAF out of two salvage yard candidates. All used "no label" aftermarket MAFs I tested from junk yard cars were found to be bad. I suspect those bad MAFs contributed to the car being sent to the salvage yard.
I had a real round of issues with a failing EGR valve a couple of years ago on the 99 Maxima. I had various vacuum leak symptoms until one day it finally produced a code. I will never forget the day I replaced the EGR and the difference it made.
I remember replacing the EGR on the 95 Maxima that must have been due to a code or something very evident. I don't remember it taking anytime at all to find the issue on the vacuum operated 95 model EGR.
I've used BWD / SMP Intermotor brand EGR valves on both the 95 and 99 model without issue. If I can't use or get OEM, then I will only use the Intermotor brand.
Due to the consistent performance I've experienced over the years, I've been tempted to try a BWD / SMP Intermotor MAF. I know I can easily get a refund if one doesn't work.
The other idea is to purchase a MAF from a member in the classifieds, test it, and keep it in stock for when you need it.
To build up an inventory of working MAFs, I would purchase one from my local salvage yard, take it home clean it, let it dry overnight, then put it in the car to test it.
If the car ran good on the used MAF for a week, then I would keep it in the car and keep the other known working MAF in the workshop as a spare.
If failing MAF symptoms started with the used MAF, I would return it for credit or refund and find another donor.
Usually I would find one good MAF out of two salvage yard candidates. All used "no label" aftermarket MAFs I tested from junk yard cars were found to be bad. I suspect those bad MAFs contributed to the car being sent to the salvage yard.
I had a real round of issues with a failing EGR valve a couple of years ago on the 99 Maxima. I had various vacuum leak symptoms until one day it finally produced a code. I will never forget the day I replaced the EGR and the difference it made.
I remember replacing the EGR on the 95 Maxima that must have been due to a code or something very evident. I don't remember it taking anytime at all to find the issue on the vacuum operated 95 model EGR.
I've used BWD / SMP Intermotor brand EGR valves on both the 95 and 99 model without issue. If I can't use or get OEM, then I will only use the Intermotor brand.
Due to the consistent performance I've experienced over the years, I've been tempted to try a BWD / SMP Intermotor MAF. I know I can easily get a refund if one doesn't work.
The other idea is to purchase a MAF from a member in the classifieds, test it, and keep it in stock for when you need it.
Last edited by CS_AR; 12-03-2015 at 07:27 PM.
#16
After doing some reading and linking up some symptoms and reported failures, I've also switched to the dry air filter as opposed to the oiled.
#18
Apparently, over time and with extended use oil droplets can and may times are sucked from the filter element into the MAF sensor which fouls the sensor creating MAF related performance problems.
Although I cleaned my MAF not too too long ago, I did not re-clean it after switching to the dry filter ... something I really do need to do to make sure the element isn't fouled.
#20
Based on my reading, it's not the dirt associated with the oiled filters that becomes an issue ... it's the oil itself.
Apparently, over time and with extended use oil droplets can and may times are sucked from the filter element into the MAF sensor which fouls the sensor creating MAF related performance problems.
Although I cleaned my MAF not too too long ago, I did not re-clean it after switching to the dry filter ... something I really do need to do to make sure the element isn't fouled.
Apparently, over time and with extended use oil droplets can and may times are sucked from the filter element into the MAF sensor which fouls the sensor creating MAF related performance problems.
Although I cleaned my MAF not too too long ago, I did not re-clean it after switching to the dry filter ... something I really do need to do to make sure the element isn't fouled.
#21
checked the k&n today, little dirty but not too bad so i just banged out the leaves and it was good. went and got some seafoam and did that and then dropped some premium into maxy and after a few miles she was running better. saw some smoke coming out near the front while i was seafoaming her and i think there's a little exhaust leak which i already knew about. monday she goes into the shop to fix a mount and the e-brake cable. getting her back in shape.
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