197 is on the high side for an Autotragic.

 

At least you got more than my whimpy 194.1 hp but almost same torque at 205.4.

 

just keep sending the dyno's to steve....thanks

 

I traded in my 97 528I e39. So what the deal. I've scheduled a dyno for friday the 13th (spoky probably blow up on the dyno). What are the numbers to be looking for? I've only had my car 3 days!!!! Did I make the right choice....

Jim

 

you made the right choice, you won't see another car out there for the money go 6.2 0-60 or 14.4 1/4 stock......but imagine how your time would be with the 15 extra they promoted, we're on top of everything.....and we know we have a good case for class action, we are processing papers and looking at dyno's, so everyone chill

 

Shouldn't he wait to dyno till it's fully 'broken in'/at least 700miles Just wondering...

 

good call, but if it's a 2k2, it's prolly already been used or has over 700

 

I have been following this post from the start and could not agree more that we should sue the crap out of NISSAN.

I would really like to know what the timeframe is for this case. Has the lawyer that we are dealing with indicated when he will submit his case. Is going be a few weeks, few months or few years from now?

As with most class action lawsuits, the period of litigation tends to be very very long, (usually 6+ years). When this is all over with and we hopefully win will most of us fighting this case:
a). Still own a 2K2+ maxima and;
b). If we do still own one will it be worth the mods nissan will make to increase HP. Most people will have over 150K-200K on the odometer by then.

Also how trustworthy is this lawyer?. In most class actions the law firms (lawyers) benefit the most from the compensation. How else would they recover their $100/hr rate. If that happens I will personally take care of this lawyer. Thinking about it now I would most probably would run him over in my 240 HP '03 maxima

 

Let me put it like this........the case we have, we need experts, experts cost money, mone that the lawyers put up, there is another HUGE law firm involved with us out of philly, we are also in the process of getting our hands on an automotive engineer. The lawyer is the best you will find, trust me, i'm not just saying this either, his track record is impeccable. You obviously have no idea about how the law works and class action law suites, because in a class action lawsuit, lawyers dont get anything until it's over with, and they're fees would be covered by nissan if and when we win, the lawyer wouldn't take it if there was no case. Anyway this lawyer charges far over 100/hr. And your threats are useless, ill bust your a#$ before he will. Threats won't work here, everyone is doing as much as they can as fast as they can, you need to understand it's the law, and processes and filing sometimes pointless s*&t needs to be done. If you have any questions, why not email Steve he talks with the lawyer on a weekly basis. CDN max if you have questions about the lawyer or the law, you can im me on aim, or if you're looking to run over him, i can tell u where to find him, cause he won't be running from you............

 

I understand but when and if NISSAN dishes out sum money. We all know from past class actions that the law firms dig in first to cover their costs and fees. There is no way NISSAN (not a US corporation you know i.e Japanese Corps. are cheap) is covering the lawyers fees in addition to any compensation paid out to the consumers.

BTW you never answered OUR question.... based on the info you have now can you atleast speculate(lawyers are good at that haha), is it going to be weeks, months, years. Not asking for a specific date just a rough indication. I plan on selling my max in 5 yrs, at that time should I put 240 or 255 HP in the advertisment

The running over was a pun intended at lawyers. Generally ppl dislike lawyers. Can a lawyer ever justify his/her income. I am sorry I offended you, it was meant to be a joke. I guess you must be pre-law or have a legal family.

 

not pre-law, i wouldn't be allowed to do that.......and it is understood that alot of lawyers are douche bags, but you don't understand, the class action lawsuit would most likely consist of them either: uping the h/p to what they said, giving a longer warrenty, like from a 10 yr 100000 warrenty, to say 12 yr 150,000 mile warrenty......all hypothetical, but i would highly doubt you would get money back in your hands, it's possible, but most likely getting the car fixed or a better warrenty is the most likely option from what i heard. Once again, i will tell u the lawyer fees are subject to weather he wins the case or not, if he wins the case, he will be paid his fees, the fees will not be taken out of anything the owners of the car will be given, because for one, they aren't going to give you money in your hand, who knows they may give you an option to get money back, but that will be held totally seperate from what the lawyer gets. I answered that question already. In class action cases like this, if you don't win the lawyer doesn't get ****. OK, so hopefully you won't ask the same question again in the next post. I have no idea to be honest with you how long this thing would last, but don't worry it'll be before you sell your car in 5 yrs I can't say exactly, maybe it'll be something Steve can ask the lawyer next time they chat.........

 

I'm planning to dyno test my '03 Max with auto tranny at the beginning of next year. I'm glad I can help.

 

this is my second and probably last maxima.paint chips,my paying for the transverse link that broke 2 months before i got a recall and then fighting to get them to pay me back.tonight my friends new accord ex stayed wheel to wheel with me to 80 mph and his car only has 176 miles on it!i wish i had my 98 se stick back!

 

Would this class action lawsuit only affect vehicles sold in the United States?

I have a feeling the Canadian Maxima owners might be left out on this one...

 

Okay, lawyers want money (don't we all?). I don't see anything wrong with this. Anyway, in a case such as this (and any other suit against a large corp), the lawfirm's first and foremost intention is to get a settlement from Nissan, OUT OF COURT. A monetary figure for damages sought, WILL be known right from the get-go (between the plaintiffs and the defendants I mean. I'm sure those involved will not be able to talk about it publicly on the .org!). A percentage of this won settlement would be retained by the lawfirm and the remainder would be divided equally among the plaintiffs. This is IF Nissan decides to settle monetarily!

I'm positive the lawfirm has its own experts and are consulting other experts trying to get an idea of what is feasible or not, worthwhile or not. They will be going over ALL of the data that you guys are gathering now and come up with their decision. Remember, whether or not ANY lawfirm takes your case or not, hinges upon this information! If their souces tell them that they most likely will not win a decent settlement from Nissan out of court, they will simply not take the case unless they are willing to be in court for months and months and perhaps even years (*shrug*). I am, of course, assuming that this is a large lawfirm and they have better things to do with their time than win 5 more years of warranty for you all. Keep in mind, this isn't something emotionally-charged like the suit against Big Tobacco. No ones dying here.

The lawfirm will be shooting for an out of court settlement. If they don't see this happening... you guys are all SOL.

 

The Ford SVT Cobra debacle was settled fairly quickly...I don't imagine it would be long before we were somehow compensated.

It didn't take anywhere near 6 years, if we really have a good case, Nissan would be wise to settle out of court, and cut it's losses...because if it goes to court, it will cost them BIG money, not only in bad publicity, but lawyers fees....

Nissan doesn't want to go to court.

 

That's cute, but Nissan isn't going to just put a wad of Bill Franklins in your pocket. You need to actually retain a lawfirm that will do some good [southern accent]LAWYERING and make it happen for y'all.[/southern accent]

BTW, I never said that the case would go for 6 years. I was saying that the attorneys that you maxima guys retain will definitely not want to take the case if they believe that it will go to court. It will simply not be lucrative enough for them to invest so much time into it. But who knows... depending on the size of the lawfirm and if they are moderately-sized and have no other big cases to work on you might have a couple mavericks that are willing to take on a behemoth like Nissan just for kicks.

Okay, yeah, yeah... "bad publicity". I'm sorry, but this kind of "bad publicity", will not discourage very many new car shoppers from buying a new car (especially a Maxima!), ESPECIALLY if they offer INCREDIBLE deals!! Now, if Maxima's were randoming blowing up all over the country, this is the kind of "bad publicity" that would deter buyers. I'm sure that a lot of individuals who do not own Maximas would love to have one EVEN if the HP is overrated and misadvertised at 255HP!! Of course we're going to be PO'd about it. But how many people would still be incredibly disturbed about buying a Maxima if it became common knowledge that they were 15HP short and Nissan offered a super-duper warranty with it? You think Nissan will consider it a loss? How will this cost Nissan "BIG money" as you put it?

And... what do you mean "lawyers fees"? Nissan has attorneys sitting around doing god knows what (harrassing the guy who owns nissan.com maybe? ). What are you talking about? Dude, attorney fees are irrelevant because Nissan already has attorneys on their payroll (the same as any other large corporation) probably even since the 70s. C'mon now... Think man, think!

Sorry for getting a little too excited, but so many of the comments made in this thread would never happen in the real world. If we're going to speculate, let's at least speculate on POSSIBLE outcomes not IMPOSSIBLE outcomes.

 

You have no idea pal....Nissan is a huge Japanese company, and they fight for everything, it could go quickly, but they could put up an argument against the suit.......

 

If you don't know about the law, or exactly what would go into this process, don't post S*&t, it's really annoying the hell out of me, if you have questions, instant message me or email steve, and we'll help you out, otherwise these pointless posts on how lawyers just want money and **** like that are thoroughly a waste of time.......

 

please take a moment and reread what I wrote.

I never said Lawyers just want money, I am just saying that if we provide undeniable proof that Nissan cheated us out of 15 horsepower, or 10, they will try to resolve it quickly and brush it under the table...especially if they know they did it. If we have our ducks in a row, what can they do? Why would they waste money fighting it, when they know they'll lose? (this is assuming they really cheated us out of 15 horsepower).

All I was trying to do was reassure cdnmaxima that he wouldn't have to worry about not getting compensated until he was ready to trade in his car.

btw, Nissan is not a huge "japanese" company, I thought they are owned by the French (Renault)...they were bought out in 1998, before they almost went bankrupt.

I didn't post "S*&t" so before YOU go mouthing off, take a Quaalude (TM) and get on with life...

If you want me to take my 2003 SE in for a Dyno or my wifes 2001 Pathfinder, also with the VQ35DE, you should start treating other visitors to the site with a little respect.

Thanks for the offer, but I don't need any "help" from you or Steve...whoever he is...by the way, who are you anyway? in regards to this site?

-vq

 

Nissan a French company???? I think not....and by the way i don't need a qualude or whatever that is, i'm in the middle of finals and seeing people post things that have been said millions of times or reposts is frustrating, i guess all the cramming and lack of sleep is getting to me. I'm not mouthing off, i don't know if we particularly will need either of your dyno's, but if you feel it'll help you can go ahead and send the dyno's to Steve.......and who is Steve? He is the one representing all of the 2k2 owners, he owns a 2k2 and owns a performance company called Frankencar, if you've ever heard of it......who am i? Read my profile, i'm just like you, or the other guy, i'm just the closest link here to the lawyer, i got the lawyer for Steve as soon as i saw this post go up......so who are u?

 

I never said they were going to put a fistfull of Franklins in my pocket. I said "somehow compensated"...please explain how that translates to "Franklins in my pocket.". And a "midwest accent" is much different than a Southern Accent...believe me...I've lived all over the country, [SOUTHERN ACCENT] an dem soodna's taawk nuttin' lie yoo-n-me...[/SOUTHERN ACCENT]



I didn't say you said it would last 6 years, cdnmaxima was afraid it might, and I was reassuring him it probably wouldn't, especially if we really do have a good case...(i.e. TONS of dyno results from a TON of Altima's and Maxima's that favor our claim!)



Well then you are ruining your entire case with that statement, most of you say you want to sue Nissan because you bought a car with 255bhp, and they would have been detered from buying it if they knew it only had 240bhp...if THAT wouldn't give them "bad publicity" then why are you ticked at Nissan? it would have detered you, right? but not the next guy? of course it's bad publicity, it's not as bad as cars blowing up, but what is? Hyundai looks bad for what it did...well, it does in my eyes....



That would be "Ford-like" rollover publicity...the Explorer...lol



what are YOU talking about? I never said anything about lawyers fees.
But I imagine Nissan's Lawyers don't have anything better to do than harass the owners of nissan.com...those commie pigs...lol...



whatever...you got the wrong guy again, I never said anything about lawyers fees...

What impossible outcomes did I speculate about? I didn't speculate any outcome, other than if we have undeniable proof, it should not take too long...

You're ripping into my thread, whlie being mad about something someone else must have posted...

peace out...

 

 

Check it out, Renault bought out Nissan in 1998, right before they went bankrupt, they were in horrible financial trouble...they had a different platform for every car (practically) and it wasn't profitable, every car had a different engine, (just about) and it was expensive...they were making zilch...Renault bought them out, and appointed Carlos Ghosn to revive them, and he has brought them back pretty strong...except maybe for this 15 HP Situation.

I am a regular Nissan owner that has owned Nissan's since you were in high school, and I'm on my second Maxima, (previous was a 1998)before that, I had a 1998 Sentra SE with the beloved SR20DE engine, and close ration 5 speed. Before that I had a 1994.5 Sentra LE 2 door...


I asked "who are you?" because you acted like you were in charge of the threads here, because you were telling me not to post my thoughts. I am a member just like you. Also, I didn't offer any "help" to other knowledgeable members of the forum as if I was a moderator.

Just curious...are you still driving the 1999 Maxima like your profile says? if so, why be so concerned about the 2k2 and 2k3 owners?

 

Johnvt1111

So what kind of car do you drive???

 

Damn, yall need to chill... I don't think it matters what kind of car he drives...he's helping us. But also I think that he's being a
b!tch about people's posts getting to him. Why should Johnvt1111 care about what people post? If its stupid don't answer the question. Simple.
None of this is really about this topic is it? Let's chill and try to get our 15hp from Nissan...

 

I'm done...

All I want is my 15hp...
However this is also a resource for sharing opinions. Your right it doesn't matter what kind of car he drives what matters is that we all get to an opportunity to express our views and concerns. As well as add a little humor to this whole process "if we so desire". That is what this technology is used for! Right…

 

I drive a 2003 SE Maxima, 6 speed, Titanium Edition, Black on Black Leather...tint job... I used to drive a 1998 Maxima SE, autotragic, before that a 1998 Sentra SE (w/SR20DE)...just traded it in the 98 Max in September...

if you have been reading my entire, huge, boring posts? :-> I know, they get long...I go off on tangents...sorry....you would know what I drive, I already stated that..but that isn't important...

I mean no animosity, I just posted a simple thread to let cdnmaxima know he shouldn't have to worry about this process taking too long (won't take several years)

then proceeded to get verbally attacked by johnvt111...

I'm just defending myself here...but I don't mean any malice towards anyone...

sorry to get things stirred up in here, I wasn't trying to do that.

NOW LETS GET OUR 15 HORSE POWER BACK!!

that's what this is all about...right?

 

What are the potential fixes of the hp issue by Nissan?

I would imagine that the Heads/Cam/Manifold issue being the same across the VQ lineup would mean an exhaust change, computer re-program, etc.. but ?

 

You were not verbally attacked, i was just saying The same questions are getting asked over and over again, it's frustrating, and i was just informed that Renalt did buy out Nissan a few years back due to heavy financial troubles with some leasing problems.....or something like that.......Everyone needs to chill including myself

 

I wasn't verbally attacked? Then what do you call these posts?
that wasn't exaclty a list of friendly invitations to the next maxima.org clone party...



To continue with your idiocracy...

what questions? I didn't ask a question "over and over" again.

I didn't even ask one FiretrUCKING question.

Get it through your thick skull!

if that's possible...

You were JUST informed? I told you two days ago... but again, you wouldn't listen.

...by the way, it's spelled Renault...

one should know how to spell the name of the company that owns the manufacturer of ones motor vehicle.

Especially if the said person claims to be an "enthusiast".


I didn't need a reason to "chill" earlier. I was fine, until you started denying that you were verbally attacking me and my posts, had you apoligized like a man I wouldn't be writing anything but, "hey, no problem man..."

furthermore,
looks like you're the one that needs to be asking questions:

WHO has no idea? The guy with two vq35de's in the garage? or the guy with the vq30de parked in front of the all boys dorm?

I'm staying away from this freakshow web site,

this johnvt1111 guy is as bad as "nissanfan" on zcar.com, probalby IS nissanfan...

I'm going back to freshalloy...check you mongaloids later

-vq


ps, yo johnvt1111, thanks for going through all the trouble for me and my fellow 240-255 bhp Maxima owners...we appreciate your hard work.

 

You're funny man...........keep posting, your making me laugh now

 

ok guys i'm not taking sides but i don't want to see this thread locked so let's just be friend's. I know JOhnVT111 has a very special interest in this case and that's all i'm gonna say.

 

thanks johnvt1111, I liked the "firetrucking" comment the best...

I have my first (stupid) 15 bhp related question on this forum...

doesn't this include 2k3 Maximas? It sounds like so far the only comments are only about 2k2's...and that the lawyers are only representing 2k2 owners...just wondering. I'm sure there were no changes in the powertrain, so 2k3 owners should be able to get in on this...right?

dmbmaxima2k2, I don't think you'll need to take sides, I think it's over...I hope it's over...

-vq

 

Dyno your car and then we'll find out..........you'll probably be included since it is the same exact car with minor changes, but try a dyno, i'm sure we'll see the same result as the 2k2's

 

ahhh peace has been restored once again!
lets stick together in this.
Welcome VQMAN we dont want you to leave! Your 2k3 dyno should help.
Im sure the lawyer is doing his best, and im sure we'll all be very considerate when he helps us with our 15hp.

 

Been following this thread and though of an interesting issue. Anyone know what the Acura guys dyno'ing at with their 260hp cars? Just curious what kind of drivetrain losses they are seeing, compared w/ ours.

 

Russ dyno'd 199 HP/182 TQ in his stock automatic CL-S.

 

Thats about a 23.5% loss in the Drive train with the acura.

I dyno'd 194 FWHP/205 TQ in my auto 2k2 maxima with K&N filter thats not far off from russ's dyno.

 

You know what, I've been following this for almost a month now. I really am tired of all the bullshiet that these auto makers bring. Nissan is really gonna pay for this! One of the biggest selling points was the"stated" 255hpz. Now I come to find out I could be doing the same 1/4 mile times as a Altima!?? This is the second time that I've had this Happen to me! I drive a 03 Maxima SE 6spd. I got three dynojet shops in my area, Shiet if I can be of any service, let me know! To think that I was gonna pop out my credit card after new years : to buy all sorts of goodys! Fully stock maxima.