I feel kinda stupid for asking, but what exactly does it do? Please answer in retard terms so I can understand... I saw it on L10's site for under $600, and though it might be good for the next mod here in Jan. The site says 3-4 hours labor, so that doesn't sound too bad at all. Anyone who has one, would you say it's worth it?

 

funny u asked i am gettin their TC and VB upgrade finished on thursday! from what they said the TC is well worth it! i had a small problem with them though.... they had a core in staock i got it to my shop and it turns out it didnt fit so i had to send them my stock TC to get modified! which costs 100 bucks less 498 if u send in ur TC if not it is 598! cant wait to see the diff esp with the NOS!!!! the VB mod from them is 698 bucks but since the screwed up they are giving me a 200 dollar discount and paying shipping both ways so on mon my performance shop will be sending out my vb to levelten!!! their vb mod is throttle position meaning it bangs gears at WOT and is still soft at reg acceleration! so the vb mod is 498 for me and for those that r gonna say dons vb is cheaper its not if u consider shipping fees 530 for don and 498 (accually 398 since they have to refund me my 100 that i paid for the TC to be sent to me) for levelten and the name is more trustable! i will post results as soon as i get it back!

 

PLEASE DO!!! I am interested in getting the VB myself.
Been debating Don vs. Lev10 as well. Warranty, etc...


ADMAN

 

I noticed in your sig that you stated a 3500 RPM stall speed for your Level 10 TC..ROFLMAO...hahahaha. If it is in fact a 3500 RPM stall speed...please tell us after you get your car back how your everyday driveability has suffered. Also, I don't think you'd get any traction with a 3500 stall speed UNLESS you have drag radials or slicks.

 

check it out:


https://maxima.org/maxfaqs/sub_perfo...Performance_5f

 

It will be more that 3-4 hours of labor.

 

Good job! That same Torque Convertor is only $350 at Protorque (where do you think L10 gets it?) with NO core. The VB we offer is $450 (shipping included) unless you want overnight. Now if you van get L10 to 'screw-up' (but trustable) on everyones VB order, you can get the price down from $700 to $500.

 

Hey Don, while I have your attention, I have a couple ?'s for ya. Is your VB mod the same as L10's in the essence that the firmness of the shift is throttle dependant? Also, do you offer some sort of warranty with yours? Seeing as how it's detrimental to everyday driving, I'm not too sure about the TC anymore. Do they make one with a 2500rpm stall speed? In any case, my "consultant" has deemed that I'll be needing a Stage 3 rebuild anyways...

 

A higher stall TC won't noticeably affect everyday driving unless your stall speed is too high (for a Max, a 3500 stall speed is definitely too high for a daily driver). A very high stall speed may allow you to launch like a bat out of hell (given you have traction), but simply going up a sloping driveway will be more difficult. From the factory, the stall speed on our cars is around 2300 RPM. I have the Protorque TC (stall speed around 2800RPM) and that alone has shaved over half a second off my 0-60 time on my naturally aspirated 97SE (on runs that I can get traction). One more thing, the stall speed for a given TC will change with the amount of torque your engine makes. A good example is that Dman2KMax (supercharged) has the same Protorque TC (4th and 5th gen is the same model number) and his stall is around 3000RPM. Anyway, if you do get a high stall TC, just save yourself some money and get the Protorque TC. It is the same as L10's and is a lot cheaper.

 

i agree with u on levelten uses protorque's TC but they also have like 3 other companies if u want to stick with the stall speed that the TC comes with than go get the protorque but if u want it modified in any way levelten is the people to do it for u...... about the stall speed being at 3500 oh well im not too worried about it i am 17 years old and dont really care about drivability and if it is that bad i will have them redo it! i talked to them and made sure that it wasnt too high and it is recommended to get ur stall speed 400-800 rpms lower than ur peak torque so 3500 isnt that bad of a place to have it! about the vb im not gettin it done this week if i did that would mean another week of my car being in the shop and i really cant stand not having my car so i am going to wait till my shop clears up and i can go in on a mon overnight it and have levelten get it back to me on a wed so my ride wont be down for that long! sorry to disappoint u but it wont be that much longer prob a week or so! i will post results about the TC and drivability on thurs when i get it back might be wed but its lookin like thurs!

will

 

One question, why would you get a HSTC before the VB?

 

bc time only allows for the TC for now it will be like a week before i get the vb so it wont be too long! and it will also be nice to feel the gains in each alone and together..... i would have em both done at the same time but levelten and my shop are a little on the busy side!

 

I'd already planned on the VB in Jan., I was just looking at doing the TC while I had it at the tranny shop. I'm just trying to feel out everything before I start spending major $$$. Didn't you get the VB mod? If so, how are you liking it?

 

Okay, if that's how you feel then goodluck with your 3500 =) but to simply say you'll just have them redo it if you don't like is..ummm =/...I mean, it's not a simple thing like a light bulb or something that'll take 30 min to do...you have to drop the whole tranny, etc...and that is time and labor which equals $, unless your labor is free, not to mention that L10 will charge you again for "re-doing" it. Plus, you already say that you can't stand being without your car and if you redo it, your car is going to be in the shop again. I'm just trying to save you some $ and trouble, that's all. =)

I know there are other companies that make TC's (i.e. Precision Industries) but the reason why I got the ProTorque is because they have a good reputation, it is a good price and readily in stock.

Did you also plan on getting a tranny cooler? Heat will be increased with the TC. One more thing, please get a set of drag slicks to use on the track with your 3500 TC. =)

Oh yeah, in your sig, you list a custom 2" b-pipe? Isn't our OEM piping 2.25"? You made it even smaller.

Also, at what RPM do you hit your nitrous? If you launch hard with a 3500 TC, you're gonna have to wait until you get traction (unless you have drag slicks) and then spray. If the nitrous hits before you get traction, you're just gonna be sitting there spinning your tires. In the meantime, the person next to you with a lower stall speed will have already hooked up their tires, hit nitrous around 3500RPM, and will be long gone. =)

 

I talked to you about this over the weekend, you were originally looking at getting a 4000rpm stall, said that L10 recommended it. If they truly recommended a 4000 stall convertor for a daily driver, then they are not "trustable" I recommend nothing over 3000 unless you just want to drive that pain in the *** around.

The weakest link is the VB set-up, its the ONLY thing that will prevent damage to your tranny after this kind of abuse. The TC will not do that, but in fact the opposite. At 3500, you will not have downshifting when you slow or even stop in most cases, making daily driving a total pain, launches will be excessively hard on all of your drivetrain components. The VB is a linear change, shifts are somewhat normal when normal driving, and harder/firmer when getting into it.

L10 isn't known for working well with complaints,( or so I've heard). So if its not what you want, they will make you pay again, and you will have to remove the tranny again to replace it, again.

I know you have to absorb all of this info and try to make sense of it. But hey, I was 17 (over 18 years ago) myself, so what do I know? I've been working with Maximas since you were 10, and cars 5 years before you were born. We're not trying to steer you in the wrong direction, just give you advise on things some of us have knowledge on.

 

hahah...a 4000 RPM stall TC...ROFLMAO =) Just let him get a 4000 RPM stall TC because L10 said so and be done with it - that is until, he posts saying his car doesn't perform very well, he gets horrible gas mileage and his tranny is dying...

 

Damn, 4K rpms?? The car's pretty much worthless as a daily driver after that...and how could you do that to your max?

 

4k rpm stall speed?

what are the guys at level10 smoking?

 

Must be some good stuff.

 

correction on all of this s-h-i-t level ten is doing the stall speed at 3100 rpms and i am doing the valve body this week as well...... i will post results by fri!

 

3100 sounds more reasonable. Good luck!

 

We'll see on Friday...

 

if the shop gets it done by then.....the vb went out today on next day! so i should get it back by thurs the latest fri so if the shop isnt busy they will do it so i dunno! fri should be the day but UPS has yet to deliver my TC to levelten yet that was sent out on fri of last week so it should be ther tomorrow as well! cant wait!

 

WILLSE,

Let me know how that VB mod works for you. That is gonna be my next performance mod I get. Did you get the tranny cooler as well?

 

things arte lookin good for sure friday..... if i am really lucky i will get it all done tomorrow thursday! but i dunno it is all up to how things are being shipped and if they shipped them today or not and yes i do have a tranny cooler i got the hayden 405 or something..... so i will have one of my friends put that in as well..... i will post results when i give it a good run! does the TC have a break in period?

 

So, does that mean GROUP DEAL on a few VBs???
Please, oh, please, oh, please...


ADMAN

 

Someone please set up a VB group deal

 

Don's had group deals on the VB a couple times I believe, but I missed out on the last one. Maybe if we can get enough people together...

 

the problem is that I don't think Don has enough 5th gen cores available. For the 4th gen's you ship him a VB and he sends you out a recalibrated one. We will have to ship him out our cores and wait to get the same recalibrated ones back...