ebay fstb vs stillen
09-06-2009, 07:10 AM
#81
Hp difference? No its not going to make the car go faster. I'm just saying btw needing a tie rod end, replacement ctrl arm bushing and carrier bearing its makes up for it a BIT when I take that 35mph loop on the freeway at 80mph. I noticed my tires stop squealing and I don't have to fight her as much to stay in the curve. It helps out with the way I take corners (throttle). Its just there to keep my coilovers from making excessive movement in maneuvering. Thats all.
09-07-2009, 01:14 AM
#82
o.k pleease tell me you knew for a fact when i said it made no difference i wasnt talking about WHP because if u really did im done posting.... anyways i did the exact samething with my coilovers and no FSTB and there was no exceesive movements nor were there any tires squealing or whatnot... but if everyone felt so much of a difference then so be it... i didnt, maybe my car is somewhat different.................... BTW lemme ask is it one of those "i just installed my intake and it made a "HUGE" difference type of difference??? cause if its something similar in comparison i can understand cause i felt no difference with my intake either (not to say there wasnt any)
09-07-2009, 01:44 AM
#83
i have a stg 2 ltb and it makes a world of a difference in the front end..
i drove through this dirt road with big pot holes from trucks doing burnouts in.. and i was being very careful while yelling out my window about my LTB getting scratched up while trying to go through the sides of each pot hole.. lol
i drove through this dirt road with big pot holes from trucks doing burnouts in.. and i was being very careful while yelling out my window about my LTB getting scratched up while trying to go through the sides of each pot hole.. lol
09-07-2009, 10:56 AM
#85
09-07-2009, 01:47 PM
#86
Trust me dude, it made no difference, its all in the mind... you install it and then go for a drive and try to pay keen attention to your suspension so you pay more details to lil stuff thats been there that u havent paid attention to before, so you think its the strut bar... i gurantee you if you could some how test you car to see how fast it can go around a corner with and without the strut bar i can 99.9% gurantee you there would be no MPH difference... RSB is what makes a difference, maxima's dont have problems with understeer so the FSTB doesnt do much if anything, we suffer from oversteer so we need the RSB to keep our chassis from giving out around turns hense why the RSB is 100 times better and more expensive
i absolutely agree with you on the rsb. my rear loves to slide out, but the ebay bars arent going to perform as well as the beefier ones like stillen, vibrant, or otto. I also agree its not a BIG difference but I really dont think a fstb is about about improving the cornering speed but really just to reduce flex in the chassis and crisper steering response. I had an ebay one and then i bought a Vibrant and the difference was minimal but noticeable. They arent meant to be a substantial upgrade in suspension but the thickness definately matters IMO
09-07-2009, 02:48 PM
#88
i absolutely agree with you on the rsb. my rear loves to slide out, but the ebay bars arent going to perform as well as the beefier ones like stillen, vibrant, or otto. I also agree its not a BIG difference but I really dont think a fstb is about about improving the cornering speed but really just to reduce flex in the chassis and crisper steering response. I had an ebay one and then i bought a Vibrant and the difference was minimal but noticeable. They arent meant to be a substantial upgrade in suspension but the thickness definately matters IMO
09-07-2009, 03:31 PM
#89
09-07-2009, 05:08 PM
#90
There would be no difference... Its not like the ebay ones have flex in them and the stillen is rock solid... Its a placebo effect kind of difference in his head I think. FSTB=FSTB some just look nicer or maybe more durable over long period of time
09-07-2009, 05:54 PM
#91
I know there is no difference, i just wanted to hear what non fact he was going to follow up with... its like making the statement that a quarter is stronger than a nickel, you cant break either by hand so how would you possibly know??? there is nothing you can do with your maxima to make a corner so hard that it would break a FSTB and if you do the FSTB would be the last thing on your mind
09-07-2009, 09:30 PM
#94
**** no wonder that puny little thing is probably flexing @ idle!!! Size matters, ask any real woman!!! Thanks for testing that POS for the org. I've got a Cattman Ti-bar and yes turn in is more crisp and precise! Front end never squeals in fast hard sweepers... But I can only speak of mine own vehicle!
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Last edited by CMax03; 09-08-2009 at 08:56 AM.
09-07-2009, 11:04 PM
#95
Why would thicker be better??? its common science, what is going to be sturdier? your ebay fstb or a strut bar that is triple the width.
09-07-2009, 11:06 PM
#96
09-08-2009, 07:35 AM
#97
The ebay one that I got is pretty thick... It looks sturdier than the stillen IMO, but I dont know about those welds...
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Last edited by nzelinsky; 09-08-2009 at 08:25 AM.
09-08-2009, 09:02 AM
#98
I can't imagine anyone charging more than $20 or $30 for a small welding job like that. Small price for peace of mind.
09-08-2009, 10:30 AM
#99
Take your car to a shop and ask them about the welds on the connectors. If they say they should be reinforced, then give them the brackets and let them do their thing.
I can't imagine anyone charging more than $20 or $30 for a small welding job like that. Small price for peace of mind.
I can't imagine anyone charging more than $20 or $30 for a small welding job like that. Small price for peace of mind.
09-08-2009, 11:20 AM
#100
09-08-2009, 01:01 PM
#101
maybe im wrong but im pretty sure i just said ive had an ebay fstb then went to a Vibrant fstb...the ebay wasn't noticeable at all after putting it in. The vibrant was.
Why would thicker be better??? its common science, what is going to be sturdier? your ebay fstb or a strut bar that is triple the width.
Why would thicker be better??? its common science, what is going to be sturdier? your ebay fstb or a strut bar that is triple the width.
09-08-2009, 01:27 PM
#102
To your point, eventually the optimization curve will flatten out, and effectiveness will take a back seat to style and economics... which is why I'm using the Racingline FSTB. By my estimation, it's the best balance of performance, design, style and cost.
Last edited by Rochester; 09-08-2009 at 01:34 PM.
09-08-2009, 01:36 PM
#103
My opinion? All FSTBs are the same for our cars. Save your money and get the Ebay one. I've had a cheap one on my car for 6 years and haven't had a problem. I suppose that, in theory, a thicker bar would be better. But without knowing if the "thinner" bars flex under load, it's kind of a moot point. I can't say I've ever driven a Max with a Stillen or Cattman unit, but unless you auto-x/track your car I doubt you will ever tell the difference. Your money would be better spent in other chassis bracing such as Matt's LTB or SFCs. Trust me, you will feel a difference when you install those things
Last edited by 95maxrider; 09-09-2009 at 09:11 PM.
09-08-2009, 01:36 PM
#104
You know, more often than not you come across pretty quick to judgment, Hustler. But I have to say, that coin analogy is pretty darn clever. I never heard that one before.
To your point, eventually the optimization curve will flatten out, and effectiveness will take a back seat to style and economics... which is why I'm using the Racingline FSTB. By my estimation, it's the best balance of performance, design, style and cost.
To your point, eventually the optimization curve will flatten out, and effectiveness will take a back seat to style and economics... which is why I'm using the Racingline FSTB. By my estimation, it's the best balance of performance, design, style and cost.
but i understand your point though, i personally would prefer paying more for a sturdier RSB than a FSTB just my opinion
09-08-2009, 01:52 PM
#105
I think you may have your terms mixed up. Maximas NEVER oversteer. Ever. All they do is understeer. A RSB is a great way to reduce understeer, but if you think the Maxima oversteers too much as-is, then a RSB will only make your "oversteer" worse. I will agree that a RSB is 10x better than a FSTB, but not for the reasons you state.
My opinion? All FSTBs are the same for our cars. Save your money and get the Ebay one. I've had a cheap one on my car for 6 years and haven't had a problem. I suppose that, in theory, a thicker bar would be better. But without knowing if the "thinner" bars flex under load, it's kind of a moot point. I can't say I've ever driven a Max with a Stillen or Cattman unit, but unless you auto-x/track your car I doubt you will ever tell the difference. Your money would be better spent in other chassis bracing such as Matt's LTB or SFCs. Trust me, you will feel a difference when you install those those things
My opinion? All FSTBs are the same for our cars. Save your money and get the Ebay one. I've had a cheap one on my car for 6 years and haven't had a problem. I suppose that, in theory, a thicker bar would be better. But without knowing if the "thinner" bars flex under load, it's kind of a moot point. I can't say I've ever driven a Max with a Stillen or Cattman unit, but unless you auto-x/track your car I doubt you will ever tell the difference. Your money would be better spent in other chassis bracing such as Matt's LTB or SFCs. Trust me, you will feel a difference when you install those those things
"Oversteer is a phenomenon that can occur in an automobile while attempting to corner or while already cornering. The car is said to oversteer when the rear wheels do not track behind the front wheels but instead slide out toward the outside of the turn. Oversteer can throw the car into a spin. The effect is opposite to that of understeer."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversteer
09-08-2009, 01:57 PM
#106
I think you may have your terms mixed up. Maximas NEVER oversteer. Ever. All they do is understeer. A RSB is a great way to reduce understeer, but if you think the Maxima oversteers too much as-is, then a RSB will only make your "oversteer" worse. I will agree that a RSB is 10x better than a FSTB, but not for the reasons you state.
My opinion? All FSTBs are the same for our cars. Save your money and get the Ebay one. I've had a cheap one on my car for 6 years and haven't had a problem. I suppose that, in theory, a thicker bar would be better. But without knowing if the "thinner" bars flex under load, it's kind of a moot point. I can't say I've ever driven a Max with a Stillen or Cattman unit, but unless you auto-x/track your car I doubt you will ever tell the difference. Your money would be better spent in other chassis bracing such as Matt's LTB or SFCs. Trust me, you will feel a difference when you install those those things /THREAD!!!
My opinion? All FSTBs are the same for our cars. Save your money and get the Ebay one. I've had a cheap one on my car for 6 years and haven't had a problem. I suppose that, in theory, a thicker bar would be better. But without knowing if the "thinner" bars flex under load, it's kind of a moot point. I can't say I've ever driven a Max with a Stillen or Cattman unit, but unless you auto-x/track your car I doubt you will ever tell the difference. Your money would be better spent in other chassis bracing such as Matt's LTB or SFCs. Trust me, you will feel a difference when you install those those things
/THREAD!!!lemme just double quote you... you made an excellent point and for somebody who actually auto-x's you just basically summed it up and said the exact samething i was saying, but im sure everybody else would think that i was typing gibrish
09-08-2009, 03:02 PM
#107
Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car, understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take it with you.
09-09-2009, 08:56 PM
#111
All of this information and more can be easily found by looking in the I30 section on this forum.
Last edited by 95maxrider; 09-09-2009 at 08:58 PM.
09-09-2009, 09:47 PM
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