It seems you have made some incorrect assumption about what cars or name brands I've owned in the past which is certainly excusable. I think I've got a pretty good idea of what that concept is...but thanks for your optimism. Perhaps, years down the road, you'll understand why the rule is often used as an excuse to put one's mind at ease after an unnecessary expense. Thankfully, spending money unecessarily is not a crime...I'd certainly be guilty along with all the 3-series owners out there for something or another.

I think we've strayed off-topic.

 

So your bottom line is:
Maxima over Hyundai you get what you pay more.
But 3 series over Maxima you get ripped off.

Right?

 

look someone plse lock this ****. A Maxima is a Maxima, a BMW is a BMW. 'Nuff said.

 

At least this "discussion" is more interesting than the I'm faster than you.

By doing a comparo, many can reaffirm why they bought a Max, or get new info: Like the fact that the Max is larger than a 5 series, some "may" have known that, but what the heck it's only a car.

No one should get thier panties in a wad, some people are wondering where thier next meal will come from. Not, my car pulls xg's on the salom, and I'm .4 of a sec faster than you.

I'm thankful for what I have, and will get.

 

Hyundai is a low quality car with a history of problems and inferior engineering. Nissan and BWM are neither of those. So, yes, I believe you are getting a better car (whatever that means to me) by paying more to purchase a Nissan Maxima or, for that matter, a BMW 3-series over a Huyndai, let's say, Sonata. The BMW and Nissan are worth the additional dollars in my opinion.

The Nissan Maxima and BWM, let's say, 330 are generally accepted to be good cars, built by companies with a long history of solid engineering, and individually have solid ownership experiences and records. In the specific comparison, I believe the extra $10K you would pay for a 330 over a Maxima is not totally realized in what you are delivered by BWM. Ripped off are your words, not mine. I merely believe that the 330 is not worth $10K more than the Maxima. When it comes down to it, that is all I am saying. I am perfectly happy agreeing to disagree on this point. Perhaps, one day in the future, I will change my views as both cars evolve. Who knows, once they put the V-12 in the Maxima it may cost $10K more than a 3-series.

 

Its all opinion. He thinks the BMW is worth the extra dollars over the maxima, you think the Maxima is worth the extra dollars over the Huyndai. So like whatevers, its all OPINION.

 

Yeah, that's kind of what I meant by "agree to disagree."

 

More precisely, for him it's called opinion with double standard.
He agrees Maxima is worth the extra over Hyundai, but he disagrees BMW is worth the extra over Maxima, when the two comparasion are the same in the nutshell.

 

You hit the nail right on the head. I believe the Maxima AND the BMW, for that matter, are worth the extra $$$ over the Hyundai, but I disagree that the BWM is worth the extra $$$ over the Maxima. I'm sorry that's such a challenging concept for you to categorize as anything other than a double-standard. I suppose, in a black and white world, it is a double-standard. I hope you enjoy living in one. I'm done with this one...its boring to debate black and white logic as it has no practical application, even with something as trivial as automobile price.

 

I can say the same thing again.
I am sorry that's such a challenging concept for you to understand that the two comparasion are the samething, and you think Maxima is worthy only cuz you have one.

Let me guess, if you drive a Civic, you'd say Civic is worth the extra compared to a Yugo, but Maxima isn't worth the extra money than the Civic, right?

 

rastamanmax why are u soo ****ed off and don't tell me that i don't know what i am talking about.The Cl is heavier than the TL go sheck it out on their web site.It's funny how u judge me and u saw that i don't know anything when i am right.

 

But I would Trade my 2001 Max AE for a 330CI in a HeartBeat!!!! (if I could afford it)

I swear in an INSTANT.

YES the VQ is a Beautiful Engine ... but Overall the BMW is a car by Better Design. In almost Every Aspect, Suspension, Brakes, Handling and especially Tranny.



But I'd miss my Max ... just because of the time I've spent with her.

 

You guessed it buddy. Brilliant analysis.

So let's try another analogy. Maybe this will be easier to discuss...we'll remove the proposed bias you seem to think I have as a Maxima owner and just analyze the comparison itself. Bic pens...the free ones at the bank are average pens. They function...but they tend to clot and leak and run out of ink quickly. Parker Mosaic Collection and Mont Blanc Boheme Collection pens are both excellent pens. Both deserve a great deal of recognition as marvels of engineering in the pen world. However, Mont Blanc pens carry a certain image which validates a higher price. While both are exellent pens, and both deliver an equivalent product, the Mont Blanc will cost 20-30% more for equivalent models. Both pens will have their strong points and their weak points. Neither pen will deliver a product or service that significantly exceeds the service of the other and their color and appearance are a matter of personal opinion. One will cost more and it will be, without fail, the Mont Blanc. Is it because its a better pen? I say no, it is because it carries the social recognition of a Mont Blanc and, because Mont Blanc knows people are willing to pay for that badge, they charge you 20-30% more for it.

Now, I think it is fair to say that the extra dollars spent on a Parker Mosaic pen (Maxima) are validated when compared to the Bic at the local bank (Huyndai). However, it is more of a GRAY area when you discuss the added dollars required to purchase a Mont Blac Boheme pen (3-series) in comparison to the Parker Mosaic (Maxima). I tend to believe that Parker and Mont Blanc are equivalent, so I say that the added investment in the Mont Blanc (BMW) does not buy you anything in other than a badge.

Maybe that helps explain my position in the matter more clearly than I have articulated it before. If you still feel that I am not making sense or you still feel that I am merely a biased Maxima owner defending my purchase then.....

 

So by saying that, you are implying the 330 is not a better car overall than the Maxima, and it's more expensive only because it's a BMW?

 

hey it's obvious if your are given a key to either a 330ci/xi/i or the maxima, i'm sure u'll take the beamer.. i'm not a huge beamer fan though. my family has owned 5 of them none were below the m3. the cars all had electrical problems and were costly to maintain.. however they were great cars to drive when they worked.. the maxima gave me it's fair share of problems since i bought one that was part of the first fleet, but asides from those very minor probs the car is very reliable.. however it's hard to compare german craftmanship over japanese imported cars.. theyr'e different, one is based on pure sports luxury while the other is a median between an economic car as well as a luxury car.

 

Its called diminishing returns.

Is a $350000 Bentley Arnage $230000 better than a BMW M5? Probably not.

Is a 330i worth $13000 CDN more than a 2k2 Maxima SE? For you yes, for me no. What's so complicated about that?

BTW, you're argument is nonsensical. Obviously, if I drove a Civic I'd say the Civic was worth the extra money, otherwise I'd be driving the Yugo. Why would I buy the Civic if I thought it wasn't worth the extra money?

You got a 330i and we're all very happy for you. Many of us had the choice between the Max and the BMW 3XX and decided that the BMW was not worth the extra money.

 

Exactly, the two are in different classes, and one is better than the other, that's why it costs more, thus, you get what you pay for, isn't that my point from beginning??

 

Hi Chris. Still getting life outa the maxima vs bmw thing?

It's all about the old man driving the 911 turbo!

 

Not complicated at all if you are being consistent.
If you are not being consistent, you can still say you are entitled to your opinion, but then I'm entitled to my opinion to call your opinion double standard.
Now, what's so complicated about this?

 

Nah actually I am about to give up.
I should have known better, Maxima is God's gift to automobile world, it's the best.
--- Any car cheaper than Maxima is sh1tty, any car more expensive than Maxima is not worthy.
--- Honda ppl put few things on the car is ricey, Maxima ppl put the same few things on the car is tastefully modified.
--- Honda board flame Maxima, Maxima ppl got upset and had to defend. Maxima board flame BMW, it makes perfect sense.
...............
Need I go on?

 

And people that drive slower than you are idiots and people that drive faster than you are azzholes. lol. Such is life.

 

I don't understand what makes my opinion a double standard or how I am being inconsistent.

I simply don't see a 330i being a $13000 CDN better car than a Maxima. You do, so you bought a 330i (but you should of bought an S4, much better value).

Do I think the Maxima is the best car in the world? Of course not. I would buy an M3, M5 or 540i in a second if I had that kind of cash. But I don't, so I drive a 2k2 SE.

Going back on this thread, I don't think a single person said the Maxima was "better" than your precious 330, so I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape.

I'm starting to think you went head to head with a 2k2 6-spd at a set of lights and the outcome was not what you had in mind. Either that, or your just some kid that's trolling.

 

Close this ****** effin' thread!

 

Beautiful Sig.!!

 

I wasn't directing that comment at you, it was for the ones think Maxima is worth extra over Hyundai but BMW is not over Maxima.
As I said, everyone is entitled to the opinion, but if you think $100 is alot(or very little) more than $80, you should think $80 is alot(or very little) more than $60, that's what I meant by consistency.

Actually I don't recall I said I have a 330i. And I probabely will take the S4 over the 330 simply because the chipping ability of turbo cars.

I wish, but the truth is that I really can't buy a race now days no matter what. I have a 240hp MZ3(less hp than the Maxima and weights about the same), and I am confident I can take a 2k2 6sp Maxima stock to stock in drag race, so no, I am not bitter cuz you are faster.

 

lets give up on this one..
who cares about a BimMaWh0re anyways? trolls everywhere....

 

he is not a troll.. he has been on this board longer than 98% of the people here

 

This is the first time I have read this thread. I actually only read the last page. Damn thread is on top of this board every damn day!

"Stop flaming the 3 series"

Get back to Maximas already....namely 5th gens!!!