They do, which is why I've been telling people they could use the UTEC with the 350Z patch harness.

 

I should have stated that was what you had already posted.

 

Could very well be the case, however vsmoly should be able to see some gains with VTC tuning or by using a G35/350Z ECU instead since he's now running the 350Z IM IMO.

Per the FSM, "the ECM sends ON/OFF pulse duty signals to the camshaft timing control valve depending on driving status. This makes it possible to control the shut/open timing of the intake valve to increase engine torque in low/mid speed range and output in high-speed range.".

If we can "fool" the ECU to not throw a P0011/P0021 IVT Control code, we could possibly use the Emanage Ultimate sub injector maps to drive the solenoids.

 

I researched this a while back on my350z.com and couldnt find out much about it. Also it seemed a bit expensive for me combined with the harness.

 

the ecu connectors on the 350z and a 2k2 max are different but the same amount of pins

 

So, what are you trying to do?

 

The wall thickness of the IM looks pretty thick, maybe you could dremel some away in that area for more clearance?

Also, the flanges are pretty thick, I'd bet a machine shop could "deck"(like decking a block?) them to make clearance. Just throwing out ideas.

 

This has been part of many behind the scenes discussions that none of us were going to post untill one of us had working proof.

 

i am not trying to do anything. just stating the facts from the fsm.

 

more behind the scenes stuff huh

 

Yeah my mantra has always been.

1. Ideas
2. Research & Development
3. Dyno and/or track test
4. Post with results

The reality is...

1. Ideas
2. No money
3. No dyno
4. Save bandwith and keep my post count low

 

Why do you care about the things that I don't post when you blatantly choose to ignore all of the helpful information that I DO post?

 

personally i dont care what you do and what you dont tell anybody else.

 

It was already stated more then once that the 2K2 and 350Z had different connectors. Did you not know this? Is that why you bought a 350Z ECU and were recently looking for another?

What relevance is it that both ECUs use the same number of wires, ie what does it matter?

 

Cool...not sure why you guys choose to keep discussions like that secret.

 

I was thinking of doing that. That and when I tested it the middle plenum didn't sit all the way down with the lower IM, so that's is an extra 1mm or two right there. (I have to shave some of the stock valve cover off)

 

I can understand why you'd want to research and test things out first before posting about it. But on the other hand sometimes posting about an idea, even if it's in the early stages, could induce a better discussion and produce new and possibly better ideas from others.

The sub-injector maps in the EU definitely have the potential to be a great tool... boost control solenoids, vtc's, anything pulsewidth modulated really. When you start thinking of it there's a lot of applications.

 

vsamoylov,

Are you planning on cutting the 350Z ECU connector off and rewiring the pins to the 2K2 harness or are you planning on running the whole 350Z harness?

 

Well wont the ECU throw a code since we dont have exhaust VTC's?

 

Only the 35th Anniversary/current G35s/350Z have exhaust VTCs. I'm sure he's got an earlier 350Z ECU.

 

I thought all RWD VQ35's had um. I guess I need to look under the hood of the G more

 

I know SR20DEN already posted this, but I *THINK* the exhaust VTC is slaved off the intake VTC, ie they don't turn independently. If that is true, I doubt they added exhaust cam sensors that would let the ECU know they weren't changing and throw a IVT code. Just a guess....

 

how are you going to bypass the inmobilizer?

 

1)Take it to a dealer with a key that has a chip.
or
2)Send it to TS with the stock ECU and they can copy it over.
or
3)Get the key and IMMU that came with the ECU.

 

I didnt think it was stored in the ECU. I thought the IMMU sent the "okay" signal to the ECU and it worked like that.

 

Not on my 2001 and I'm pretty sure the 2002-2003 are the same.

350Z/G35 could be different, but doubt it.

 

The EVTC on the 35th ann. uses a magnet retarder to vary the angle of the exhaust cam relative to the sprocket. There is an exhaust cam position sensor on both banks as well as a magnet retarder. Four additional sensors/actuators each with their own share of DTCs.

 

not being the same ecu i doubt all the info can be flashed from one to the other. dealer will charge around 80 bucks per key.
and getting the key won't work cause you will have to rekey all doors and ignition.
350z intake manifold = 200
engine hood hole plus scoop = 100
350z ecu = 200
getting the key from the dealer = 80
dyno tunning the new setup = 170
reloacting wires plus other supplies = 100
kind of expensive to do all this plus the time invested and time with the car down.
and still nobody knows if it will work.
wish you the best but too much work for little power.
find a maxima or altima intake manifold
send it to extrude hone and it will be about the same price.

 

+1
According to the FSM, it looks like the immobilizer got a little more complicated on the 04+ models with the introduction of the full CAN system.
On 99-03 the key id#s were registered in just the NATS module and the ECM.
For 04+, the id#s are also registered in the BCM.

 

My price breakdown so far:

lower im, middle and upper plenum: $180 shipped
TB adapter material, aluminum pipe: Free
Misc Bolts: $10
Welding services: $40-$60

 

Not true in Vasily's or my case. The key with the chip is not used in the ignition. It is just placed in close proximity to the NATS module so the car will start.
The 4th gen key is still used for the ignition and doors.

 

oh different story.

 

You can just take a 2K-2K1 key and pull the chip out and tape it to the IMMU or tape the key for that matter. Yeah, you'll lose the security feature, but most people have aftermarket alarms anyways. TS can duplicate just the immobilizer and I've heard wipe it, so that you don't even need a IMMU or chip in the key. Not sure that's advertised though.

Little power? The 350Z IM, VTC, ECU program, and heads together achieve 105% VE plus companies are improving upon that with spacers/new plenums.

The Altima/Maxima IM isn't near the performer unless you figure out what SR20DEN does to them. I haven't seen anyone prove/disprove extrude honing, but I don't see it making a Altima/Maxima IM even close to the 350Z IM.

Others here will figure out a way to not cut the hood...just a matter of time and ingenuity.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-K...spagenameZWDVW

Someone should use this.

 

I wonder if it's lower profile...wish we could convince them to make a low profile straight neck version for FWDs.

 

The dynos on the kintex have been poor. Plus if anything, it's taller at least in the front. Like I've mentioned, the oem upper plenum except for the rev up engine seem to suffer from them being a bit too short. Thus the invention of spacers/upper plenums etc....

 

I believe it's only Kinetix's SSV manifold that dyno weak.



I can't see how that one can be a better design than the stock ZIM.

 

it isnt. all it is shiny and expensive

 

^i bet that manifold would be better than a stock vq30de manifold, even better if the plenum would be a bit bigger

 

That manifold is designed more for forced induction or very modded NA 3.5s. Their older design dyno'd one of the weakest plenum/spacer mods. Plenum "K" http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...&postcount=152

This was before that new expensive Kintex unit came out.

It's also $800-$900. Pass