Maintenance Gurus. Short Distance Drives?
06-12-2003 | 08:00 AM
#41
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Old Fuddy Duddy
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by IceY2K1
[B]
BMW nuff said?
If not,
Engine:
Opposed twin, Bosch Motronic controlled fuel injection/electronic ignition, 98bhp@7500rpms/70lb-ft@5750rpms.
Suspension:
Front: Telelever w/central spring/strut.
Rear: Paralever swing arm and shaft drive.
Brakes:
Optional ABS.
Front: 4-piston calipers with dual 12.6" rotors.
Rear: 2-piston calipers with single 11.2" rotor.
Most of all the looks.
I've always loved how the opposed-twin sticks out to the sides and the dual exhaust curves into twin canisters directly under the rear tip of the seat/fender. The exhaust note is second only to the Italian bikes. There is A LOT more than this, but the reliability and service costs down the road are bar none. FYI, all the local police departments are switching over to BMW's due to the reliability and reduced maintenance costs.
I think you are gettin sucked into the whole 3 letter thing. I have written this 2 times now and since the "smilies" are in the way, Ill keep it short.
Air cooling is old school. Even Harley is liquid cooling their motors on their new bikes (V-Rod).
NO bike should be without 2 front floating rotors and MINIMUM 4 piston calipers. Mine happens to have 6 (LBS).
Looks are a matter of opinion and a LARGE driving force to getting a bike. I was pretty sure that was a BMW you were talking about and looked it up on the web. I have ridden the predecessor and its sluggish and oafish. Make sure you ride several companies and compare bikes closely. Getting the wrong bike will be a painful experience and it NOT like buying a car.
You can get better w/o being a squid
[B]
BMW nuff said?
If not,
Engine:
Opposed twin, Bosch Motronic controlled fuel injection/electronic ignition, 98bhp@7500rpms/70lb-ft@5750rpms.
Suspension:
Front: Telelever w/central spring/strut.
Rear: Paralever swing arm and shaft drive.
Brakes:
Optional ABS.
Front: 4-piston calipers with dual 12.6" rotors.
Rear: 2-piston calipers with single 11.2" rotor.
Most of all the looks.
I've always loved how the opposed-twin sticks out to the sides and the dual exhaust curves into twin canisters directly under the rear tip of the seat/fender. The exhaust note is second only to the Italian bikes. There is A LOT more than this, but the reliability and service costs down the road are bar none. FYI, all the local police departments are switching over to BMW's due to the reliability and reduced maintenance costs.
Originally posted by IceY2K1
They definitely aren't fast nor cheap to buy, but they have the PERFECT balance of everything IMO. Basically, it's a $80K M5, but with two less wheels and a lot less cargo/passenger area.
They definitely aren't fast nor cheap to buy, but they have the PERFECT balance of everything IMO. Basically, it's a $80K M5, but with two less wheels and a lot less cargo/passenger area.
I think you are gettin sucked into the whole 3 letter thing. I have written this 2 times now and since the "smilies" are in the way, Ill keep it short.Air cooling is old school. Even Harley is liquid cooling their motors on their new bikes (V-Rod).
NO bike should be without 2 front floating rotors and MINIMUM 4 piston calipers. Mine happens to have 6 (LBS).
Looks are a matter of opinion and a LARGE driving force to getting a bike. I was pretty sure that was a BMW you were talking about and looked it up on the web. I have ridden the predecessor and its sluggish and oafish. Make sure you ride several companies and compare bikes closely. Getting the wrong bike will be a painful experience and it NOT like buying a car.
You can get better w/o being a squid
06-12-2003 | 08:18 AM
#42
Uggh, three pages later and I finally get a word in edgewise. First things first: Anything BMW rocks
Ice: The link Bill posted to BITOG will provide tons of data points from people just as **** as us. You will definitely spend hours there.
Tom: If you visit the same link, you will find oil analysis samples that have a considerable amount of fuel dilution for the distance driven and a TBN that plummets rapidly. In a lot of cases, these samples can be traced back to cars that are only driven on short trips and idled excessively, especially from our friends up north. I agree with you that continually driving the car short trips without warming it up will cause more problems than excessive idling will, but you would be surprised what kind of a toll the idling takes on the oil. I know of some people who start their cars with a remote starter and let it run for 30 minutes before they drive it, that's insane to me
Ice: The link Bill posted to BITOG will provide tons of data points from people just as **** as us. You will definitely spend hours there.
Tom: If you visit the same link, you will find oil analysis samples that have a considerable amount of fuel dilution for the distance driven and a TBN that plummets rapidly. In a lot of cases, these samples can be traced back to cars that are only driven on short trips and idled excessively, especially from our friends up north. I agree with you that continually driving the car short trips without warming it up will cause more problems than excessive idling will, but you would be surprised what kind of a toll the idling takes on the oil. I know of some people who start their cars with a remote starter and let it run for 30 minutes before they drive it, that's insane to me
06-12-2003 | 10:25 AM
#43
Originally posted by Colonel
I think you are gettin sucked into the whole 3 letter thing. I have written this 2 times now and since the "smilies" are in the way, Ill keep it short.
Air cooling is old school. Even Harley is liquid cooling their motors on their new bikes (V-Rod).
NO bike should be without 2 front floating rotors and MINIMUM 4 piston calipers. Mine happens to have 6 (LBS).
Looks are a matter of opinion and a LARGE driving force to getting a bike. I was pretty sure that was a BMW you were talking about and looked it up on the web. I have ridden the predecessor and its sluggish and oafish. Make sure you ride several companies and compare bikes closely. Getting the wrong bike will be a painful experience and it NOT like buying a car.
You can get better w/o being a squid
I think you are gettin sucked into the whole 3 letter thing. I have written this 2 times now and since the "smilies" are in the way, Ill keep it short.Air cooling is old school. Even Harley is liquid cooling their motors on their new bikes (V-Rod).
NO bike should be without 2 front floating rotors and MINIMUM 4 piston calipers. Mine happens to have 6 (LBS).
Looks are a matter of opinion and a LARGE driving force to getting a bike. I was pretty sure that was a BMW you were talking about and looked it up on the web. I have ridden the predecessor and its sluggish and oafish. Make sure you ride several companies and compare bikes closely. Getting the wrong bike will be a painful experience and it NOT like buying a car.
You can get better w/o being a squid
Second, air cooled/water cooled, who gives a sheit. When the AVERAGE life out of a BMW engine is 200+K. What's the average engine life from a Yamaha, Honda, or ????. Nobody that somewhat maintains their bike will EVER suffer engine failure. At least from what I've seen from the #1 BMW shop in the nation and arguably world. Harleys!?!?!?
I PERSONALLY know at least 50% of the Harley engineers out at the Phoenix proving grounds ride BMW's. I laugh every time I see the MAIN Harley engineer come in and order ANOTHER bike for his collection. Harleys are POS, plain and simple. They are AWESOME lookers and sound mean, but maintenance and reliability are a joke. Third, BMW brakes with ABS and electronic brake distribution are at least 10yrs. ahead of your Honda. Other bikes attempt to imitate EVERYthing that BMW doesn't put a patent on, which isn't much. The braking on the 1100S or any BMW will handle even track duties. I know a few guys that race them off the showroom floor and the only way to surpass the STOCK brakes was for one of the guys to spend $4K on his Honda RC51 brakes. Yes, those brakes were superior, but for $4K?!?!?!
What model/year BMW did you ride? If newer, you didn't ride the right BMW then. Anyone that says an 1100S is "sluggish and oafish" is apparently comparing it to a much lighter/faster bike. BMW's are not the fastest NOR need/care to be. The K1200RS inline-four with 130bhp@8750rpm and 85lb-ft@6750rpm is MORE bike than I'd care to handle. These aren't 12K+ reving bikes that require you to stay up there for peaky hp. BMW is more about a flat USEABLE torque band somewhat like the Nissan vs. Honda auto approach.
06-12-2003 | 01:52 PM
#44
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Old Fuddy Duddy
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Originally posted by IceY2K1
First, BMW's maintenance and reliability is on a whole different level. Again, why would a Police Dept. that spends $100K on bikes each year opt for SIX BMW bikes over TEN Kawa****tys? Because the maintenance and repairs outweighs the additional cost withIN the FIRST year. Not to mention all the SAFETY and comfort advantages a BMW has over ANY other bike available.
Second, air cooled/water cooled, who gives a sheit. When the AVERAGE life out of a BMW engine is 200+K. What's the average engine life from a Yamaha, Honda, or ????. Nobody that somewhat maintains their bike will EVER suffer engine failure. At least from what I've seen from the #1 BMW shop in the nation and arguably world. Harleys!?!?!? I PERSONALLY know at least 50% of the Harley engineers out at the Phoenix proving grounds ride BMW's. I laugh every time I see the MAIN Harley engineer come in and order ANOTHER bike for his collection. Harleys are POS, plain and simple. They are AWESOME lookers and sound mean, but maintenance and reliability are a joke.
Third, BMW brakes with ABS and electronic brake distribution are at least 10yrs. ahead of your Honda. Other bikes attempt to imitate EVERYthing that BMW doesn't put a patent on, which isn't much. The braking on the 1100S or any BMW will handle even track duties. I know a few guys that race them off the showroom floor and the only way to surpass the STOCK brakes was for one of the guys to spend $4K on his Honda RC51 brakes. Yes, those brakes were superior, but for $4K?!?!?!
What model/year BMW did you ride? If newer, you didn't ride the right BMW then. Anyone that says an 1100S is "sluggish and oafish" is apparently comparing it to a much lighter/faster bike. BMW's are not the fastest NOR need/care to be. The K1200RS inline-four with 130bhp@8750rpm and 85lb-ft@6750rpm is MORE bike than I'd care to handle. These aren't 12K+ reving bikes that require you to stay up there for peaky hp. BMW is more about a flat USEABLE torque band somewhat like the Nissan vs. Honda auto approach.
First, BMW's maintenance and reliability is on a whole different level. Again, why would a Police Dept. that spends $100K on bikes each year opt for SIX BMW bikes over TEN Kawa****tys? Because the maintenance and repairs outweighs the additional cost withIN the FIRST year. Not to mention all the SAFETY and comfort advantages a BMW has over ANY other bike available.
Second, air cooled/water cooled, who gives a sheit. When the AVERAGE life out of a BMW engine is 200+K. What's the average engine life from a Yamaha, Honda, or ????. Nobody that somewhat maintains their bike will EVER suffer engine failure. At least from what I've seen from the #1 BMW shop in the nation and arguably world. Harleys!?!?!?
I PERSONALLY know at least 50% of the Harley engineers out at the Phoenix proving grounds ride BMW's. I laugh every time I see the MAIN Harley engineer come in and order ANOTHER bike for his collection. Harleys are POS, plain and simple. They are AWESOME lookers and sound mean, but maintenance and reliability are a joke. Third, BMW brakes with ABS and electronic brake distribution are at least 10yrs. ahead of your Honda. Other bikes attempt to imitate EVERYthing that BMW doesn't put a patent on, which isn't much. The braking on the 1100S or any BMW will handle even track duties. I know a few guys that race them off the showroom floor and the only way to surpass the STOCK brakes was for one of the guys to spend $4K on his Honda RC51 brakes. Yes, those brakes were superior, but for $4K?!?!?!
What model/year BMW did you ride? If newer, you didn't ride the right BMW then. Anyone that says an 1100S is "sluggish and oafish" is apparently comparing it to a much lighter/faster bike. BMW's are not the fastest NOR need/care to be. The K1200RS inline-four with 130bhp@8750rpm and 85lb-ft@6750rpm is MORE bike than I'd care to handle. These aren't 12K+ reving bikes that require you to stay up there for peaky hp. BMW is more about a flat USEABLE torque band somewhat like the Nissan vs. Honda auto approach.
Where did you come up with your numbers?
When you can show me black and white fact on brake testing between brands then I will buy that one. Until then....nu uh.
I will be out braking you any day of the week. Because on a track you DONT want a computer telling you where/how to brake. I have LBS, which is close to BMW's biasing....its a pain. So I have to "trick" it so I can get it to work like I want and bypass the LBS part. Just like haveing TC on when road racing. If you need that kind of assistance...please dont ride near me! :P As for the example of BMW versus RC51....I call
I have yet to see any BMW race in sanctioned racing. I can/have taken mine out for track racing (Mid-Ohio). It does fine. Will I outbrake a Duc, RC51, R1...nope. That particular statement is to gray for good validation.Am I saying my bike is the best...nope. Is it better than most...yeah, Ill be that bold.
The one I rode I cant seem to make a direct correlation. It had full fairings where the ones on the website only have 1/2 or 3/4 fairings. It was an 1100 and the guy was jettisoning it because it was to oafish. Yeah...it was neat...had a lot of neat gizmos, but did not fulfill his needs.
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