no thank you.. i got it i now..

 

I think he thinks your public folder is the same PRIVATE folder Kev is refferring to. I guess you guys can't each have servers and different methods of securing/accessing files, and your file structure/permissions have to be the same.

 

use a bigger font.

yeah you want to break down "They are all posted on the site but in a non-public directory." by Y2KevSE for me ? either A. the attributes of the folders have changed in the past few hours to public or B. you are calling him a liar.

regardless, I could care less about the public-non public part there, did you not catch the part about "blah blah whatever technicality you want big guy, fact is - public isn't seeing them." from me in my last post? bottom line - public is not seeing them, not to say they couldnt if they had a way to test every letter until they found the folder or whatever...

 

Why? Couldn't I sell the SC kit and get a turbo kit?

 

yep i was under that impression, when you say "the" i assume to what we were discussing, the folder with the pics.. had you said "MY SERVER's..." i would have been clear.

but this is completely beside the point - did you not catch the part about THE PUBLIC NOT SEEING THEM ? delio said it right when he said "accessing" except it should have been "NOT ACCESSING" ?

 

 

Or everyone and their mama-san will be trying to copy the kit's design

Works both ways I guess. That is the way they decided to go. That's all

Totally understand and that's fine.

One thought though. If some did actually copy Stillen's bracket(the money piece of the whole kit), started selling it to the public(for profit), and Stillen got a wind of it. What do you think would happen?

And do you think a small shop would be able to have the same type of recourse at their disposal?

I respect your deceision either way. It's just discussion(as far as us two are concerned)

 

I'm sure Stillen would threaten legal action. I'm not sure that it would stand up (as I'm no lawyer).

Of course not. No arguments about that here.

 

whew im hurt, who said i would have sold you one anyways ?
and maf placement? um check stillen's superchargers. oh and check dafro's idle problems when coming off boost, that are "normal" .. ? hmm

ask me how many problems have been reported from me or any of my customers from maf on pressurized side? ask me if it idles and performs perfectly, ask me if bigger names than "PFI" advised me to have it as very close to throttle body as possible.. and before you ask because i know you being smart would, no problems at all from anyone, perfect idling and changeovers, and yes.

also....i dont know if the maf or whatever they have on these cars works the same as ours, or if it is comparable, etc... but they have no problem pressurizing whatever it is, on their twin turbo vettes.....

 

why hasnt anyone reproduced lingenfelters 50,000$ kit, surely someone can make and install this for less than that... :


same as stillen, show the stuff...

 

Ah... your not even willing to let someone take some 1/2 decent pics of your system. Just telling someone to "figure it out" from some vague blurry pics isn't "posting pics". Hell, if they could figure it out from those blurry pics, they probably wouldn't need your pics in the first place.

So I find it very hyprocritical that you bash someone for NOT posting pics when the best you can do is some vague blurry pics that wouldn't help anyone.

BTW. The stillen pic doesn't show the bracket. As a turbo installer/manufacturer, I would think you realize that's the money portion of the whole system.

 

I love the way people take up sides on this

 

ah no no , i didnt say im not willing, i would gladly let most anyone take pics of any of my setup they want... i said i would not even so much as open my hood for your pics.. and call my pics whatever you want chief, i dont know how you are going to get better pics? put the car on a outdoor lift with professional lighting and photographer? all you want is more... i have every pic in a folder, its public, everyone can get to it except a specific few (complaining few), they just dont know the domain? i mean what the heck ..

also, stillen makes you agree to not allow pics of that bracket out? i had never heard of that, it would be hard to find in any of the install stuff that is freely available? nope...

 

well, considering those are the only pics we have...

and... did you not just say in the quote above, "PFI's kit" ? i'm sorry I do not agree with a company putting out a "buggy" (quote from turbo97se/nigel) kit under any circumstances. if they have a problem with him, do not sell to him. two wrongs make a right now?

regardless, when pfi sold a kit, it has their name on it, they made it, it is a representation of their work and quality.

 

I have signed the Stillen documentation, there is no NDA type clause in it.

NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement

** I signed the papers cause I ordered a new kit, got tired of the 3 month back order, bought it used instead, Stillen called the next day and said it was ready to ship

 

I just bought a new Stillen kit and had to sign no such thing.

 

Okay, where are you located? Maybe I can arrange for someone in the area to take pictures. What does it matter if it's me or joe blow? "I have no interest in a 4-gen system" But I digress. Nothing professional. ie... the guy who posted the custom turbo pics didn't seem to have a problem. And his look better than the alien siting focus you got

Nope. So I guess you would be willing to show all the pics of your install? ie.. clear pictures of the collectors, turbo locations, flanges etc....? Thanks, let me know when they are up.

It's pretty clear you don't want anyone copying your system anymore than Nigel does. I mean really.. "how to take better pictures??" That's pretty weak. I took pics w/ a normal camera, had it put on a digital cd, uploaded them to a public site and it came out 10x better than those things.

 

They didn't make you sign a release of any sort? Weird!!! NYMJAYJAY had to sign one 10 months ago when he bought his kit. I had to sign mine almost exactly 2 years ago. I have it here somewhere, I'll try to scan it.

I guess the policy changed?

 

Nevermind. I read your previous post wrong. I thought you were saying that you did have to sign a NDA.

Yes, I said the release of liability thingy.

 

not givin you a thing , and none of my customers are under any kind of gentlemans whatever, and if someone can reproduce my kit for less, wonderful ! that would be my dream, did you miss the part about me not in this to make any money??? i just wanted a different option, and man if someone would make my kit, better and cheaper? and get me out of the loop, whew.. you think i love answering 20 emails a day, helping out not even potential customers all the time , for virtually no pay? i dont have a problem with it, but when people bug the hell out of me for no reason (you) its only annoying.. ask nigel for your pics, or build your own kit.

 

yeah Jeff build your own ****!!!

 

That's fine. And maybe I WILL build my own kit!

Here's another contradiction for you. If I'm so annoying, why continue to rely to every reply? I'm not really bashing you to the point of needing to defend yourself. So that means you can stop replying at any point. SFD baby.

 

great business practice

um.. they changed it on the v2 kits

yeah dafro's problems are simulra to bigdogg's huh?


just because people didn't report it.. doesn't mean it doesn't happen.. ask stillen about the melting pullies.. see what they say..




uh huh

 

huh?

its a folder on his server..

just like i could have a folder on my server called www.sprintmax.com/nakedpics/

its open to everyone.. if you don't know its there.. obviously you can't see it..

but kev's folder is open to the public.. it has no permissoins on it.. like i said.. the folder and server is public

 

Hal and Del's point is that KEVIN is refering to that folder as a PRIVATE folder.

Kevin is using Private in a different context than you.

 

and as i said before.. the folder isn't private.. they just don't knwo what the name of it is

 

Correct, but if you read the entire thread, you'll see that Kevin clearly refered to the folder as private, hence the confusion.

You guys are refering to the same thing totally differently and its confusing people.

 

i think everyone had said their peace..now let it die...i'm surprise it hadn't gotten too far out of hand...but this whole thing did change from the original intent of the thread...

 

Can I buy a turbo kit?

 

i just got my pipes back from the powder coater, and they are jacked up!!! They didnt clean the inside (maybei should have asked, but surface prep seems like an important part of coating) anyway, they PCed metal bits and grease to the inside of the pipes so not only are they rough, but the PC flakes off. WTF???

Am i stupid for thinking they were going to clean them???

Gonna go down and try to find someone with a sandblaster...

-ctn

 

Ouch. They're supposed to sandblast them and then use some sort of grease/residue remover to make sure the metal is perfectly clean. At least that's what my powdercoating guy does. Any contamination will cause the color to not stick and I guess that's what happened to yours.

 

How bout pics like this?

 

What's with the huge exhaust pipe out of the turbo? The small pipe looks like the exhast. But what the hell is at the bottom of the big pipe? Looks like a block off pipe and some sort of electronics on top?

Can be the external WG, that's on top.

 

maybe just a secondary opening for "open header" runs?? maybe there is a secondary dump pipe that connects to that big tube on drag runs...

 

In this pic, it looks like its just closed off





Mods of that civic

 

yeah that mod list says "DMH performance 3 in Ecutout" (must mean "exhaust" cut out)

it must be a 3" cutout... with maybe some sort of electric valve....I guess since hes using the stock DX exhaust, he can switch to 3" open exhaust with the click of a button or something.

 

Sounds really nice, I did read the DMH performance 3 in Ecutout and that crossed my mind but I didnt think it was what I thought it meant till now.. It must be nice to be such a sleeper, and have the power of a beast..

 

Amen.

 

i know this is alittle off topic, but does anyone know if dual exhaust would be any better or worse for a turbo?

 

setups like mine where the duals are split after cat are worse because you loose backpressure (too much piping). setups where it is dual from the exhaust manifold are indifferent because there isnt any for this car. it apparently works well on s2000's and such..

damn there has been a lot of back and forth here about some manifold pictures. i could take some of my stock stuff if you guys want?

hal - i am coming to see you soon enough