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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:13 AM
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Hello! Nice to see you're still around... how's your 3.5 coming along? Yup, I've sure learned a lot about VQ35s lately, and I am greatly relieved that the project actually worked. So you think that Wizard's 99 lost any pulses above the limiter, huh? I think I have a way to quickly check that out - I have a dual-trace oscilloscope in the garage that I can put on both a coil trigger wire and on an injector wire off the ECU, and rev the engine above rev cut and see what I can see. Probably one at a time, but the scope is a good one, so I should be able to see the pulses well, especially after dark.

FWIW, the "07VI" manifold update is really worth the work....

This should let me known what my choices are (and I'll report back here) - and I wouldn't miss the NATS one little bit.
I'd put money on any 4th gen ECU except the 99 perhaps having both ignition and injector pulses (albeit very reduced) past the rev limiter.

I haven't touched my car since 2008, had to go on a forced hiatus. But it is being worked on now, and should be running at some point this season. Man it's been so long! Just got the brain for the engine the other day but I have to finish all the mechanical stuff first before all the computer/dyno time starts.
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
I'd put money on any 4th gen ECU except the 99 perhaps having both ignition and injector pulses (albeit very reduced) past the rev limiter.

I haven't touched my car since 2008, had to go on a forced hiatus. But it is being worked on now, and should be running at some point this season. Man it's been so long! Just got the brain for the engine the other day but I have to finish all the mechanical stuff first before all the computer/dyno time starts.
So you're going to have a born-again 98 with a monster 3.5 buring the tires? Yea...
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So you're going to have a born-again 98 with a monster 3.5 buring the tires? Yea...
Yep that's the plan, it's just been sleeping sans engine in the garage for almost 3 years. This time around I'm not messing with factory ECU's and piggybacks. Had enough of that, time to get serious.

Looking forward to seeing what the Cosworth Land Shark does (this year?) Any ETA on first dyno or track date?

Oh, and holy hail Batman! Hope the storm didn't do any worse damage like over in Missouri...

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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Yep that's the plan, it's just been sleeping sans engine in the garage for almost 3 years. This time around I'm not messing with factory ECU's and piggybacks. Had enough of that, time to get serious.

Looking forward to seeing what the Cosworth Land Shark does (this year?) Any ETA on first dyno or track date?

Oh, and holy hail Batman! Hope the storm didn't do any worse damage like over in Missouri...
So what are your ECU plans ??? Something devious, I bet... any good ideas for me,? since you know these engines as well as anyone... My ETA is still mid-July for track testing. Besides the ECU issue, I've ordered four 6AN braided lines for the fuel system along with a collection of adapters, to make fuel delivery totally leakproof. Then it's back to Induction Solutions for more flared lines and 12 direct-port nozzles and begin installing 12 nozzles, 24 hard lines, four 1-to-6 distribution blocks, four solenoids - all on the Altima UIM. That should be quite a sight, and there will be a NX SAFE fuel system pumping ethanol (E98) to the fuel solenoids.

Hail? No it wasn't nearly as bad as Joplin's storm. We did lose a couple of roof parts and a lot of shake shingles were ground up, but we had the Shark and my tow truck sitting outside and no dents - hail was quarter-size, unlike other areas. No monster tornados this time.... but I've never seen a waterfall of hailstones running off the garage roof before. We had a LOT of hail.
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Originally Posted by grey99max
So what are your ECU plans ??? Something devious, I bet... any good ideas for me,? since you know these engines as well as anyone... My ETA is still mid-July for track testing. Besides the ECU issue, I've ordered four 6AN braided lines for the fuel system along with a collection of adapters, to make fuel delivery totally leakproof. Then it's back to Induction Solutions for more flared lines and 12 direct-port nozzles and begin installing 12 nozzles, 24 hard lines, four 1-to-6 distribution blocks, four solenoids - all on the Altima UIM. That should be quite a sight, and there will be a NX SAFE fuel system pumping ethanol (E98) to the fuel solenoids.

Hail? No it wasn't nearly as bad as Joplin's storm. We did lose a couple of roof parts and a lot of shake shingles were ground up, but we had the Shark and my tow truck sitting outside and no dents - hail was quarter-size, unlike other areas. No monster tornados this time.... but I've never seen a waterfall of hailstones running off the garage roof before. We had a LOT of hail.
Glad you didn't get hit as hard as them. I've seen some good hail storms up here too but not in a while...

Wow I can imagine what your manifold will look like lol.

My ECU... full standalone... lots of work to set it up well, but OH BABY the power and control I'll have at my fingertips! *evil laugh* lol
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
My ECU... full standalone... lots of work to set it up well, but OH BABY the power and control I'll have at my fingertips! *evil laugh* lol
Give us a hint about what you're planning....

I've been going over the FSMs for the 98 and 99 ECUs, and see a lot of differences - even the TCU wiring is very different. A swap to another year of ECU seems very difficult. Something that syncs right off the sensors for ignition and injectors would be ideal, I think.
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Give us a hint about what you're planning....

I've been going over the FSMs for the 98 and 99 ECUs, and see a lot of differences - even the TCU wiring is very different. A swap to another year of ECU seems very difficult. Something that syncs right off the sensors for ignition and injectors would be ideal, I think.
I plan to post a build thread once I have some more info and pics to put up etc.

Have you looked into a Utec?
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
I plan to post a build thread once I have some more info and pics to put up etc.

Have you looked into a Utec?
I did, some time ago, but I kinda remember that the flywheel and crank and cam sensors were 350Z-oriented - and not at all compatible with the VQ30 timing and sensors. ???

I do need to look around some more..
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Originally Posted by grey99max
I did, some time ago, but I kinda remember that the flywheel and crank and cam sensors were 350Z-oriented - and not at all compatible with the VQ30 timing and sensors. ???

I do need to look around some more..
Now that you mention it you're probably right. I've been gone from the scene for 3 years and apparently my memory is gone too. So really, I'll just refrain from saying anything further at this point lest I give incorrect information. Let's just hope I can remember how to put my engine back together lol. Although I will say that if you're staying with 4th gen ECU, coils and timing sensors etc the EU should work for you provided you have some level of IPW past the limiter.

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Originally Posted by DandyMax
Now that you mention it you're probably right. I've been gone from the scene for 3 years and apparently my memory is gone too. So really, I'll just refrain from saying anything further at this point lest I give incorrect information. Let's just hope I can remember how to put my engine back together lol. Although I will say that if you're staying with 4th gen ECU, coils and timing sensors etc the EU should work for you provided you have some level of IPW past the limiter.
And the Injector Pulse Width pulse - or lack of pulse - from the 99 ECU is still the deciding factor here. In between tornados and hail storms, I'll figure out a way to see what's really there.

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I had some maintenance to do this holiday weekend. I've been seeing some oil leakage off the front valve cover, so I removed the valve cover, cleaned off the metal and gaskets with acetone, then used some Permatex super-duper RTV to re-seal the cover. Here's something you don't see every day - Cosworth heads and Cosworth ZK2 cams on DLC lifters:



I'm going to update the fuel system with all 6AN lines and couplers, to get rid of clamps, and I had to make up two 180* bends with two each 90* 6AN bends instead. There's two 12" lines, one 18" and one 24" line to connect to the rails and regulator, but my shipment for 6AN inline connectors got delayed until June 1, so I gotta wait. Guess I'll build a new airbox for my cold-air intake under the hood..
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I may have miss it somewhere but are you planning to go standalone in the near future ?
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I may have miss it somewhere but are you planning to go standalone in the near future ?
My plans for engine management only go as far as a Greddy Emanage Ultimate. I've never installed or used any standalone - and since this engine was built with the VQ30 timing and sensors, to use with the stock ECU, I think my choices are limited.

Any suggestions?
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The airbox is finished and installed - and the car still runs good! I used 1/8" black ABS plastic, some black GE silicone RTV, and a few nuts, bolts, and hidden-nuts to make it. The effective intake area, from just under the lip of the hood, is 1" x 14" - about twice the area of the MAF.

The pix are is mostly order by time - starting with modeling clay to verify under-hood clearance. Purty...












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Some more

More:











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At yet more..

More...










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And yet again..

More...

180* 6AN - the hard way: All of the 6AN fuel system installation will happen later this week.













The LandShark with its much-modified 3.5 and transmission by IPT, the 2008 Altima intake system, and the RamAir4 (OK, that's a GTO label from the 60s -so am I) real CAI. Another step closer......



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I would look into modded an 06+Z airbox into the max for full time use. I utilizes a larger filter than the 03-05 and for you, you will get to keep an air filter and have the ram air effect.



03 vs 06 and it has a built in velocity stack type adapter.



How it mounts in the car.
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I would look into modded an 06+Z airbox into the max for full time use. I utilizes a larger filter than the 03-05 and for you, you will get to keep an air filter and have the ram air effect.
Well, isn't that clever? Thing is, I have a MAF-swap setup with a cheesy cone filter for those highway trips, and wanted the least restriction for the track - so I made the RamAir4 for racing-only purposes. I just loosen the hose clamp on the MAF and swap between the two.

EDIT: I was informed that the new intake is to be called the "CramAir". That name suits me better.....

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Grey you always coming up with something man.

Kev- I just put an 06 airbox in my Z last week.
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I have not posted in a while. However, I have been keeping track of your progress. You just keep blowing my mind with this stuff.
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Grey you always coming up with something man.
Gotta keep busy somehow -
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Originally Posted by SonicDust187
I have not posted in a while. However, I have been keeping track of your progress. You just keep blowing my mind with this stuff.
Thanks - hope you enjoy the pix - it's easier to make changes if you know it's been done before - and you can see pixs on how to do it. The Altima manifold project was inspired by streetz and sparks03 and their tests with manifolds. I've got more to do there, but that's for later - SurraTT's work on the 09 Maxima engine gives me even more ideas.

All my recent work is actually part of a secret master plan to go turbo while burning alcohol next year. For instance, the 6AN hose upgrade for the fuel system will be with teflon hoses which tolerate alcohol - probably E98 in a trunk-mounted fuel cell and a bulkhead in the trunk, which can also house the air-water intercooler and radiator.
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Thanks - hope you enjoy the pix - it's easier to make changes if you know it's been done before - and you can see pixs on how to do it. The Altima manifold project was inspired by streetz and sparks03 and their tests with manifolds. I've got more to do there, but that's for later - SurraTT's work on the 09 Maxima engine gives me even more ideas.

All my recent work is actually part of a secret master plan to go turbo while burning alcohol next year. For instance, the 6AN hose upgrade for the fuel system will be with teflon hoses which tolerate alcohol - probably E98 in a trunk-mounted fuel cell and a bulkhead in the trunk, which can also house the air-water intercooler and radiator.
I like where this is going.
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6AN fuel system installed

Tonight I installed the two Y-connectors, the four teflon 6AN lines and the two pairs of 90* 6AN adapters. This should stop fuel leaks from the barbs flexing with the motor. I put one 4AN fuel tap off the return Y - in case I want to spray nitrous and fuel for testing.












One more task completed...
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Spark plug

I ordered one racing spark plug - heat range 8 - from Amazon because they are the only vendor I can find that will sell just one. R7438-8 stock # 4905, on the box. With shipping, over $45.00 - for the one.


Different views with a copper-core LFR6A NGK for comparison. The racing plug is iridium.











Looks like they fit - guess I'll get 5 more and put them in for some testing...

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Is that for high revving? Don't you want the spark as far down as possible?
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Is that for high revving? Don't you want the spark as far down as possible?
I think that they're made for high combustion pressures, like mucho turbo boost and too much nitrous. At least there's not a lot of metal hanging out too far and glowing in the dark....

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/product...ugs/racing.asp


"Here is the answer for these spark plugs directly from NGK!!!

Hello,

Both plugs will work for the EVO though the R-7438 series with its low
angle fine wire ground electrode is better suited for racing only and
very high boost levels. The R7437 series will work better for street use
and resist fouling much better.

If you do mostly street driving with the car I would suggest sticking
with the R7437 series it will have much better throttle response at
lower Rpms and will burn a lot cleaner. I have talked to an Evo team
that ran the R7437 series on their 1000whp Evo without issue, so it
should work just fine for your application. Hope this helps, thank you.

Best regards,

Brandon Peeler

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NGK Spark Plugs (U.S.A.), INC."

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My next step with hardware is to build one direct-port nitrous stage and get it dialed in with 91 octane. I have ordered six Induction Solution 90* nozzles and .020 nitrous jets, .012 gas jets and .015 E85 jets (75-shot), along with another tubing bender that allows very tight bends. I already have the distritution blocks, a stack of flared tubing, and all the connectors needed for one stage, along with the fuel and nitrous solenoids and a boatload of hoses. All this will go on a shelf over the front valve cover. This should be fun.

In order to use the NX fuel cell w/pump and FPR, I need to install a smaller sealed battery just back of the existing battery shelf, so I have one on order (7" L 6" H 3"W) and also picked up the post battery adapters from NAPA on Saturday. (Thanks, Krazy6)

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Originally Posted by grey99max
My next step with hardware is to build one direct-port nitrous stage and get it dialed in with 91 octane. I have ordered six Induction Solution 90* nozzles and .020 nitrous jets, .012 gas jets and .015 E85 jets (75-shot), along with another tubing bender that allows very tight bends. I already have the distritution blocks, a stack of flared tubing, and all the connectors needed for one stage, along with the fuel and nitrous solenoids and a boatload of hoses. All this will go on a shelf over the front valve cover. This should be fun.

In order to use the NX fuel cell w/pump and FPR, I need to install a smaller sealed battery just back of the existing battery shelf, so I have one on order (7" L 6" H 3"W) and also picked up the post battery adapters from NAPA on Saturday. (Thanks, Krazy6)

Thanks for the honorable mention!

I wanna see the landshark on the unit!
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Thanks for the honorable mention!

I wanna see the landshark on the unit!

The battery was supposed to be delivered today, so that's something to do. Might be some delay, what with the ADRL coming to Topeka Friday and Saturday. With free tickets for everybody, I'm going out Saturday and watch the monsters run 3.xx and 210+ in the 1/8 mile!

Our shake roof was totaled after the hail storm of a couple of weeks ago, and the work begins today. Even the sheeting is to be replaced! They start with bare rafters and replace everything!. Then the gutters will be all replaced (w/6") and better drainage. The lower A/C has a new A-coil and repaired condenser. Hella storm.... Well, we need the rain - but not on Saturday.
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The battery was supposed to be delivered today, so that's something to do. Might be some delay, what with the ADRL coming to Topeka Friday and Saturday. With free tickets for everybody, I'm going out Saturday and watch the monsters run 3.xx and 210+ in the 1/8 mile!

Our shake roof was totaled after the hail storm of a couple of weeks ago, and the work begins today. Even the sheeting is to be replaced! They start with bare rafters and replace everything!. Then the gutters will be all replaced (w/6") and better drainage. The lower A/C has a new A-coil and repaired condenser. Hella storm.... Well, we need the rain - but not on Saturday.
Yeah, kansas weather sucks!
Glad to be back in california right now.
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Yeah, kansas weather sucks!
Glad to be back in california right now.
Yeah, you're "California dreaming" now..... and just think, I was born in Santa Monica.

Last night I received six nozzles from Induction solutions and all the jets I need for a 75-shot with gasoline or with E85, and some misc. small parts for that project. Also got one tubing bender for 3/16" tubing, and still waiting on a special tube-bending tool from V8 tools to make very sharp bends in 3/16" tubing. This one may save me - there's not much space to place 12 nozzles and all the associated tubing, blocks, and solenoids.

The plan at the moment is to mount everything on a chunk of 1/8" 6061 aluminum which will be mounted on the front valve cover, so that I can disconnect all the hard lines from the nozzles and then lift out the entire nitrous assembly to get to the oil filler cap and spark plugs and such. This plate will be seriously crowded.

I did get the battery and the NAPA battery posts mounted right up on it - I'll have to try this soon. Something simple....

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Yeah, you're "California dreaming" now..... and just think, I was born in Santa Monica.

Last night I received six nozzles from Induction solutions and all the jets I need for a 75-shot with gasoline or with E85, and some misc. small parts for that project. Also got one tubing bender for 3/16" tubing, and still waiting on a special tube-bending tool from V8 tools to make very sharp bends in 3/16" tubing. This one may save me - there's not much space to place 12 nozzles and all the associated tubing, blocks, and solenoids.

The plan at the moment is to mount everything on a chunk of 1/8" 6061 aluminum which will be mounted on the front valve cover, so that I can disconnect all the hard lines from the nozzles and then lift out the entire nitrous assembly to get to the oil filler cap and spark plugs and such. This plate will be seriously crowded.

I did get the battery and the NAPA battery posts mounted right up on it - I'll have to try this soon. Something simple....

Can't wait to see the spiderweb of nitous lines.
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have you taken the shark to the track with the new motor
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So, when am I planning another Kansas trip? September again?

I know, after some motor plans of mine go through, I'll come back up there and find the purple pirate
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So, when am I planning another Kansas trip? September again?

I know, after some motor plans of mine go through, I'll come back up there and find the purple pirate
I'm the purple pirate right? lol

I'm always down to race.
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Originally Posted by t6378tp
have you taken the shark to the track with the new motor
Nope - not gonna do that until everything is installed and working - including the EU. So far, I have all the new pieces playing together nicely, which is important to me. The new intake manifolds work very well - which was a pleasant surprise.

Dyno tune first - track second.
Old Jun 19, 2011 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by krazy6
I'm the purple pirate right? lol

I'm always down to race.
Tulsa OK is hosting Importfaceoff on Sep. 18. That's a great track, too.

The Red Devil with the new engine and the Purple Pirate with the power adder can have it out.

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