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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 11:58 AM
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Cool you are well on your way!

YES FWD and RWD offset is a little different.

I posted in that thread about a year ago! ahah

It should not be a issue, its only alignment difference not actual timing marks.

With the sport 2k you can adjust the tooth offset so no worries i dont think.
WIth this information showing the flexplate details, I can do some shopping for rare-earth magnets to check for small diameter ones - something that would fit into a thick aluminum trigger wheel. With thirty magnets spaced around a 7" wheel, this might get crowded. The timing notches are spaced as: (10 notches over 90*) (30* space) (10 over 90*) (30* space) (10 over 90*) (30* space). This is a total of 360* for the full circle. SInce each group of 10 notches will cover 1/4 of the outer diameter of the wheel, and a 7" wheel being 22" around the outside, 1/4 of this distance is 5 1/2 inches. Will 10 magnets fit in this space? 10 1/4" magnets will use 2.5" of the 5.5" space, leaving a little over 1/4" between magnets. That might be a little tight for the Hall sensor. If there are 1/8" magnets, that uses 1.25" and would leave 4.25" of space . with about 1/2" between magnets. This is probably doable..... but seems crowded.

I'm gathering as many details as I can for an Email to send to every Haltech dealer that's within driving distance, to see if I can find one that's capable of installing a Sport 2000 configured for the VQ35. I'll include Dandymax's 3.0 timing diagrams and as many other pix as I think necessary - including a Unorthodox pulley showing the 3.0 timing plate. This should be interesting.

I really think that I'm going to need the Unorthodox pulley regardless of what timing wheel I wind up using, but I'll wait for responses before buying one. ($230).

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This just got more complicated - from a Haltech forum:


"The VQ35 crank+cam trigger isnt supported by the Sport line of ECUs, only on the 350Z pro plug in. The way around this is to install a separate Crank trigger, like a 36-1 or 60-2 on the from crank pulley using a Hall Effect sensor and triggering the Haltech with that. I have talked to a few people that have done this and it works just fine, there was even one guy who machined the Nissan RB cam angle sensor into the VQ's cam and ran off that, also worked pretty well.

Using the 36-1 + a modification to the cam sensors will even let you control the variable cam timing as well. My 2nd suggestion is to take a 36-1 wheel, file down one more tooth turning into a 36-2 (toyota), then taking the CAM sensor, and turning that into an evenly spaced 3 tooth wheel, this would be the same trigger type as a Toyota vvti motor, and would let you control the cams adequately."


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Originally Posted by grey99max
This just got more complicated - from a Haltech forum:


"The VQ35 crank+cam trigger isnt supported by the Sport line of ECUs, only on the 350Z pro plug in. The way around this is to install a separate Crank trigger, like a 36-1 or 60-2 on the from crank pulley using a Hall Effect sensor and triggering the Haltech with that. I have talked to a few people that have done this and it works just fine, there was even one guy who machined the Nissan RB cam angle sensor into the VQ's cam and ran off that, also worked pretty well.

Using the 36-1 + a modification to the cam sensors will even let you control the variable cam timing as well. My 2nd suggestion is to take a 36-1 wheel, file down one more tooth turning into a 36-2 (toyota), then taking the CAM sensor, and turning that into an evenly spaced 3 tooth wheel, this would be the same trigger type as a Toyota vvti motor, and would let you control the cams adequately."


Link: http://forums.haltech.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=7942






You JUST posted this thread http://forums.haltech.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8684 showing tooth offset for FWD and RWD on a sport




VQ35 IS supported on The Sport 2000








Postby HaltechScott on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:41 am
The Platinum Sport/Sprint 1.09 Firmware/Software now supports the Nissan 350z/HR trigger type. Below is a list of info and things we have noticed that may come in handy if you are fitting an ECU to this engine family.










Please just contact usa@haltech.com Talk to them about VQ30, if thats a dead end then talk about VQ35 with a added sensor, and trigger wheel at the crank pulley.








hahah thats my brain in this thread!!!!!!!!
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Well, it took a little poking, but now you're into the sensor thing on the Haltech.


I'm not going to call anybody until I get good answers from a semi-local install shop. I can't drive to Australia - or Florida - for an installation, so any place I do business with has to know what they're doing. This looks very complicated and the forums are full of horror stories about Haltech installations. I don't intend to be another one... so one step at a time.
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E85 - no more Fed subsidy, so who sells it today?

Starting in January of 2012, the federal subsidy for ethanol production (up to 52 cents per gallon) has been cancelled. SInce I was planning on converting my car to E85, and have found a couple of plug-in flex-fuel converters that looked promising, I decided to check around town for stations that still sell E85. The local Phillips 66 stations that had new blenders pumps are no longer showing or selling it, and only one station that is closed for legal reasons had the blender pumps still there - but still not selling anything.

Has anyone noticed if you still have local E85 pumps still selling fuel? I could buy it from Sunoco, but the price is $12.00 per gallon plus expensive shipping costs, so I may as well stick with VP 109. E85 may be history....

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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 08:33 AM
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There only one station here and they closed down
So it begins. I wonder how many fuel outlets will sell E85 to the public once the price goes up over gasoline, and because it takes about 25% more E85 than gas, there's a double penalty for using the stuff. I know real racers that use turboed and supercharged cars with E85 and they get outstanding performance for a heck of a cheaper price.

I guess the next couple of months will show if E85 stays or goes from the pumps.
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Commercial source of E85 locally

I've searched the local area for E85 gas stations, and found only one still open, but selling E70 to E85 with no guarantee of what;s coming out of the pump.

While looking through Goggle references to E85 distributors, I found a mention of another company selling E85 - but not to the public. It's a regional fuel distributor that operates fleet fuel services - and cardlock refueling stations, including one place in town that promises E85. I looked last night, and sure enough, it's there. They sell diesel, premium diesel, regular and premium gas, biodiesel, and E85 - and Renegade race fuels.. They offer card access service to individuals as well as companies, and their web site has all registration forms available on-line. I'm signing up. I can fill up a few cans when I fill the car, and have fuel for a couple of race days.


Take a look: http://www.capitalcityoil.com/




EDIT: Blinding flash yesterday - Instead of buying an E85 injector controller kit for over $400, I could just buy DW 440cc injectors for the 350Z and get the same 30% increase in fuel flow that you need for E85. Duh. I vote for this.

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Stuff

The shops finished up my transmission/differential work yesterday, and I drove it home. Seems to be working OK, but with wet streets and snow and ice in the corners, I'll wait for warmer weather to mount a bottle and really test it.

While the car was up on a lift, I had my mechanic change the front two O2 sensors out with KGK sensors. I had been getting "wandering" A/F readings lately, and the ECU had been throwing an occasional "Bank 1" or "Bank 2" O2 sensor code, so I had ordered replacements for warmer weather. Also had some new blue Mishimoto radiator hoses, so they went on. Kinda purdy...

Funny thing - my PLX R-300 wideband decided to quit working after a few minutes of driving - it went to 19.9 and stayed there. I had parked the car for a couple of hours, and when I drove it again, same thing happened. At least the closed-loop A/F was very stable when it was working. Asked PLX if they have a replacement sensor - still waiting for a response - but I see that the R-300 uses a Bosch LSU 4.2 wideband sensor, and eBay has them for about $50, so I'll do that if PLX doesn't answer. Looks like they come with two different plugs, though.

Also waiting for NX to answer about shipping schedule on the Maximizer 4 nitrous controller - supposed to ship "in the first quarter of 2012".... It's always something...

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I forget the equivalent bosche number, but google it and i think it is a VW o2 sensor. Get it from advance auto(google advance auto coupon codes)

I got the 75-85 dollar sensor for 40ish and i picked it up the same day. I also have a PLX
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
I forget the equivalent bosche number, but google it and i think it is a VW o2 sensor. Get it from advance auto(google advance auto coupon codes)

I got the 75-85 dollar sensor for 40ish and i picked it up the same day. I also have a PLX
And the coupons are from Sharkcoupons, too! Cool.... thanx...

Did yours come with a connector?
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yes direct PnP
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yes direct PnP
The Bosch P/Ns appear to be 0 258 006 065 ( 0258006065) and 0 258 006 066 (0258006066). This is the one with a standard Bosch OEM replacement connector. This sensor appears to be used with a lot of widebands! Thanx again...

EDIT: Or is it this instead?

Bosch 17014
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Bosch OE # 0 258 007 057 ( 0258007057)
Volkswagen # 021-906-262B
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PLX Devices # Type A
Accel DFI # 77061

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I THINK it is the one after the edit, is that the one for a VWbeetle? some reason that car comes to mind
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I THINK it is the one after the edit, is that the one for a VWbeetle? some reason that car comes to mind
Dunno about the Beetle, but I found a long list of Bosch wideband sensors, and there was this one for PLX-A and one other for a PLX-B sensor. The PLX-A is also used by the UEGO wideband. So I ordered one from eBay for $50.00.
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Wideband sensors list

Here's a link to the Bosch and NTK wideband sensors list.

http://www.oxygensensor.net/widebandsensors.php


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New wheels and tires?

I've been thinking about new wheels and tires for the coming season. I'll need drag radials for street-legal classes, and matching wheels (which also match the wheels for my M&H slicks) could be classy, but I also want tires that will corner well on the street and road courses.

AR-23 Wheel: 15x8"


Four of each should do it...

M/T ET Street Drag Radial: 275/50x15


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I like the wheels
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I like the wheels

I need 6" back-spacing for the 275 tire. That's what my ASA JS5s are for the BFG DRs that have 9.7" tread on the ground. I can't find an AR-23 wheel with that much back-spacing. I did find this Summit polished wheel in 15x8 5x4.5 lugs and 5.5" BS. I think I like them. Maybe I'll order one wheel and one tire for testing front and rear mounting.





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I wonder if you'll hook with those tires. Seems like fwd cars really need the slick.
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I wonder if you'll hook with those tires. Seems like fwd cars really need the slick.
There are some "street legal" classes at different tracks that don't allow slicks. Nitrous cars can have other requirements, too. I went through all the tracks that I might visit in Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas and looked through the track rules and requirements for special events for Street Legal and sometimes you gotta use a DR (and closed exhaust). I'm also planning on joining the local Heartland Road Warrior group for driving too fast around road courses and I think that this tire (with R2 rubber) would work well for going around corners at speed. This tire is also good for highway driving, and I don't find any other DRs that agree to that. At least that's my thinking right now.

The closed Ark City strip has been purchased and plans are to re-open the track. You'll need to register to read this Link to Wichita Racing Forum:

http://www.wichitaracing.com/forums/index.php


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Yesterday I went ahead and ordered the Maximizer 4 from NX - but today got an Email that shipment will be delayed by 2 to 4 weeks. At least it's on order - and I can't hit any tracks for another month anyway. It's really cool.... lots of new and unique features for a nitrous controller.

Link: http://www.nitrousexpress.com/produc...ls.php?id=1607

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Yesterday I replaced the PLX wideband sensor, and now it keeps working, so I guess the sensor was the problem. Before, with a cold start it would display normally and then go up to 19.9 on the display after a few minutes. Working all the time is better.

I ordered one 15x8 Warrior wheel from Summit Racing, to check the many clearance issues you can have with a 4th gen. If the wheel mounts up with no hub clearance issues then I'm going to order the other three and the two pairs of M/T ET Street DRs I've been talking about. The rear BFGs are starting to show tread separation of the top cap from the rest of the tread, so it's time to do something. I think they're 6 or 7 years old - time to go.
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What kind of backspacing is on that wheel? And the weight?

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Originally Posted by aackshun
What kind of backspacing is on that wheel? And the weight?
The Summit Warrior RT I bought is 15 x 8", 5x4.5", 5.5" BS, and some offset or other. 27mm, looks like.. there are other configurations, but this one worked for me.

Here is a link to that wheel: click on the MORE DETAIL tab for more details. I haven't weighed it yet - guess I should, but it's pretty light - and cheap, for now. And everything clears....

http://www.summitracing.com/search/D...n/?Ns=Rank|Asc


EDIT - Followup - my wheel weighs 18.2 lb. Not especially light, but they need to be strong.


EDIT #2: These wheels are CNCed from one chunk of aluminum and made in China.

Last night I ordered the other three wheels and the two pairs of M/T ET Street Radials.
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Nice looking wheels that's for sure!
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Nice looking wheels that's for sure!
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The four M/T Street Radials arrived here today, and the Summit Warrior R/T wheels are scheduled for Tuesday. Wheee.... they'll be mounted up and hung on the car Tuesday or Wednesday, then I'll go out and spin 'em up a bit. Heh...
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A few more detailed photos of the Warrior R/T and the M/T DRs.

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Why I'm replacing the BFGs: cracks all around 4 of them....

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Looking good!

Question though, why did you get 4 drag radials? Are you hiding an awd swap from me?
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Looking good!

Question though, why did you get 4 drag radials? Are you hiding an awd swap from me?
I think I mentioned this before, but:

I can go on high-speed road courses with superior traction through the corners. Put some of my Skip Barber roundy-roundy training to use. Heartland Park has a monthly track day on Wednesdays for that - and their road course is super good.

Depending on what track I'm at and what event I'm trying, class rules and Street rules can be different. Sometimes you have to use a 8.5" tire and sometimes any DOT street radial will do, and sometimes you can use slicks. Open or closed exhaust is also a factor. I wanna be covered when I get there. The rules keep changing - Wichita is working on new Street Legal rules as we speak.

However, you do remember that Sentra we ran into at the rained-out IFO in Kansas City? And the full AWD swap he did along with the turboed 2.6L? Someday there will be a way....
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I think I mentioned this before, but:

I can go on high-speed road courses with superior traction through the corners. Put some of my Skip Barber roundy-roundy training to use. Heartland Park has a monthly track day on Wednesdays for that - and their road course is super good.

Depending on what track I'm at and what event I'm trying, class rules and Street rules can be different. Sometimes you have to use a 8.5" tire and sometimes any DOT street radial will do, and sometimes you can use slicks. Open or closed exhaust is also a factor. I wanna be covered when I get there. The rules keep changing - Wichita is working on new Street Legal rules as we speak.

However, you do remember that Sentra we ran into at the rained-out IFO in Kansas City? And the full AWD swap he did along with the turboed 2.6L? Someday there will be a way....
Ok makes sense now.

That sentra was awesome. I wanted to see that thing run so badly.

I see an awd swap in your future.
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..... There is a lot of madness going on in here....
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..... There is a lot of madness going on in here....
Coming from you, that's a compliment !!!
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Yesterday I hung the new tires and wheels on the Shark. Amazingly, everything fit, and the car has no vibration at highway speeds. Cornering is awesome, at least on the few times I tried sharp corners at speed. I notice that I can't lock up the tires now - the brakes work the same in stopping, but the new M/Ts have incredible traction. I may rethink my calipers and pads. For some reason, using 30psi in the front and 36psi in the rears, the ride is smoother. Since the M/Ts are built to flex sidewalls, maybe that's the reason.

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Yesterday I hung the new tires and wheels on the Shark. Amazingly, everything fit, and the car has no vibration at highway speeds. Cornering is awesome, at least on the few times I tried sharp corners at speed. I notice that I can't lock up the tires now - the brakes work the same in stopping, but the new M/Ts have incredible traction. I may rethink my calipers and pads. For some reason, using 30psi in the front and 36psi in the rears, the ride is smoother. Since the M/Ts are built to flex sidewalls, maybe that's the reason.

Photos to follow...
Nice!

Looking forward to seeing some pictures.
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Nice!

Looking forward to seeing some pictures.
Since you asked.... Less "rice" showing, I think... 'merican tires and wheels..

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Did you see that KID just got a complete paving job on their track? They had it ground, but I guess that wasn't good enough for NHRA approval - And the IFO for this Sunday is definitely on. I'm going to try and make it - as a spectator. You gonna go?

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Old Mar 16, 2012 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by grey99max
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Did you see that KID just got a complete paving job on their track? They had it ground, but I guess that wasn't good enough for NHRA approval - And the IFO for this Sunday is definitely on. I'm going to try and make it - as a spectator. You gonna go?
Car looks awesome with those wheels!
Unfortunately I can't make IFO, I'm going back to cali for this coming week.

I didn't know that KID repaved the track. That's great news. Can't wait to race there now.



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