Ok then WHAT WAS THE POINT OF ALL THIS??????

 

no point its all heresy.

 

9 pages of and no numbers

 

Guys, just think about the amount of piping thats involved here. They are just shorty headers. No precats are being removed, just some smoother, better flowing shorty pipes. I don't think it is logically possible for these to make more then 10hp. I mean, I expect to see ~6whp as a good dyno. Is that extra ounce of HP worth $450 + ~$300 for install? I mean, its a really cool idea, but I can't consciously justify a decision to dish out the $$ for it.

 

This thread seems to be a complete writeoff unless there are some VALID before and after results... I could easily be promoting a new intake and slap on a y-pipe at the same time and proclaim that my intake gave me 15fwhp... This is going to be really interesting to say the least... All the secrecy has me thinking...

LEMAR

 

I was right all along. This is some BS scheme, and the whole thing is based on an ACURA with ****ty stock headers. These things were released months ago and this guy is trying to pass them off as his own. They copied a design that was worthless, and now we'll never hear from them again. When he sees that the numbers are lame he'll slap on some other goddies to make them seem better. Anyway isn't the car being modded with these things equiped with like all max bolt-ons available? If he gets 6hp with all that, then a stock max won't gain anything. **** this, where's Brian with his longtubes???

 

So pretty much its.."Crap, crap crapa crap crap crapity crapcrap"..excellent..

 

if they make gains THEY MAKE GAINS.... confidential?!

 

I hope they release the before dyno. Without it, all this is pointless. As we've seen, all dynos read a bit different. Just getting the "after" number is pointless. Some people put down big numbers like 190fwhp/200fwtq yet they run 14.8@93mph and then guys like Nealoc make pretty low numbers and yank off 13.9s@100mph on street tires.

Most people in this Org are well informed and they will call BS quickly (okay sometimes too quickly). Either way, we need proof. We're not a bunch of young ricers that believe everything we read.

I guess I don't understand why it's so hard to do things right. Get a baseline dyno of 2-3 back to back runs. Install the mod, give the car a few miles of drive time, redyno on the same machine and conditions. It's as simple as that.


Dave

 

Jeez, $350+ just for the install pluz the $ for the headers, all for about 10hp???

We may have to wait for another max to get these things before we see a good dyno comparison

 

i want to see a pic of the dyno, not just find out after that it "gained X hp" i want to see both dynos... why is it confidential how the car ran BEFORE the headers got put on?

 

Confidential
What we are dealing here with, a newly invented engine for a space shuttle?
What a big deal, short headers. And what about Cattman’s headers? Same thing there, no pictures no dyno charts of their creation.
Sometimes when I think about Maxima and lack of tuning parts for it, I feel like it’s cursed. It's like MAXIMA from another world, sorry no quality tuning parts available, it's out of this world technology. And when some small company comes out with some BS tuning parts, they want a medal. There are more quality parts for tuning Sentra than MAXIMA.

 

pm mike for those #s on tuesday. all i can say.

 

people should stop making this thread boring and long by arguing when we don't have any facts. wait until they give us something or kill this thing because it's only gonna get people mad. the #'s will come, so until then, why bother speculating?

 

Guys,

First of all, we are doing the right thing.

Here are the facts:
1) An indpendent Maxima car was selected for testing.
2) A Dynojet baseline runs was established. Last week, Pete did the Dyno runs and I do not have a copy to post. He just simply forgot to bring the dyno graph the last time we met. The numbers are SAE corrected.
3) Installation proved the headers fit like a Glove. No added weird noises from headers.
4) Actual Installation time Hours are different from "Billing Hours".
5) Initial impression of the owner are favorable. I blieve he will post some more independent complete review as the time goes on.
6) An after Dynojet runs will be made early next week, Pete will submit a hard copy and a soft version too for all runs.The numbers are SAE corrected. The numbers and graphs (Soft/hard) will be shared with you at the right time.

For all those who still have doubts or any other questions just PM me.

Nashua (Mike).

 

this is why i stopped frequenting this forum over a year ago, i remember suggesting a rear wheel drive maxima 2 years ago and everyone laughed at me, ive since learned to fabricate everything i need for my cars, got a job at a fabrication shop here in CT made my own y-pipe. i rebuilt my 72 datsun 240z from the ground up with a chevy v8 and i plan on making an ls1 powered t56 REAR WHEEL DRIVE maxima. but the only thing any self respecting member of this org will see is me ripping through a corner rear tires ablaze. for you guys trying to make the maxima world a better place to be, take your business elsewhere because most on this forum have yet to learn that beggers cant be choosers

 

Maybe the nissan factory is built on an ancient indian burial ground or maybe the word maxima means something horrible in another language...like sanskrit

 

my baseline run was 178 hp nd 184 tq (SAE). i do not have a mevi or jwt ecu; i said those are future mods. i have: stillen ypipe, stillen cat-back, straight racing pipe instead of cat, place racing CAI, iridium plugs, and thats it for performance...o yeah, and the headers. i will take another dyno when i have another god **** day off. try working full time, going to college full time, and then try getting a dyno, getting headers put on and being without a car for 2 days and having to commute to school every morning and then on top of that, get dyno numbers for you because you demand them. **** that. you can wait until tuesday.

 

read that wrong, no mevi and ECU

 

 

Hmm, you sound upset that we want results without having to wait days for it

Maybe a better candidate for the headers would have been someone who did have time.

 

the second dyno is getting done soon...so relax

 

u guys are too funny

 

laugh riot...

 

thank you. the dyno will be done on tuesday and even then it isnt in my hands to release the numbers; thats up to stone racing. i can tell you if i have a little gain, or a big gain but i can't tell you exact numbers. and MaxSE98, you're not alone thinking that a max could and should be rear drive. my buddy who works for a collision center said he would help me, if i wanted, to make my max into a 2-door. then i would like to make it rear drive...when i have a spare car, spare time, and a little cash. make it happen Max98SE, make this world a better place.

 

Wait a minute, what do you mean "no dyno charts of their creation". If you mean a standard Dynojet chart, that's exactly what we have available for the Cattman header test, and it was done on my car. Write me for a copy at bcatts@cattman.com, I'll be happy to send it. I'll also send the excel spreadsheet with the actual hp and torque figures at 100 rpm increments, which tells a lot more than any dynojet graph does -- I suppose you could assume we made those #s up, but its obvious they correspond with the graph. We've got absolutely nothing to hide.

As far as pics go, I've been out of town since the headers arrived and have a photo session scheduled for tomorrow.

I'd add that if you're including Cattman Performance in the category of "BS tuning parts", you haven't done your research. We've been "first to market" with a longer list of top quality, no-BS performance parts for the Maxima than any other company in the US, and when you factor our size relative to our development investment, there is no comparison at all.

I'd like to have an off line discussion about where you see the gaps in parts availability as well as sharing some of the realities about the cost factors in low-volume parts development and fabrication.

Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance

 

Cattman...blah blah blah..make me some 95-96 red clears.

 

MaxSE98: if you want a rear wheel drive v8, buy a camaro or some 'muscle' car. a max is a 4 door grocery getter. and imo replacing the engine and changing it from front to rear wheel drive is is a new car. its not a maxima anymore, you ripped out 75% of the car all you have is an interior and metal shell that is stock. why spend the cash/time to do it? if you want a sports car go buy one. the max isn't a sports car, its a 4 door sedan, i think you have a case of mistaken identity. good luck on your idea it would be something to see i just don't see the point.

TXMAX: no one else wanted to do the install. it was on the forums for over 1 1/2 months for free and finally i said **** it i'll do it and then gave the deal to my buddy pete a week later. time is a problem all of us have. maybe if you have so much time to complain about time you have to much time and should go do something else other then complain. its easy to criticize isn't it?

im really tired of reading this post and everyone *****es and moans. ****. deal with it. pete's got em. you'll hear about them when there are #'s to give out. a mod should end this thread IMO. new thread with #s or nothing at all.

im disgusted.

 

u HAD to go and tick off Cattman?

 

Actually when I was talking about small companies with BS tuning parts, that hit Maxima market and run, I did not have Cattman in mind. I know that your company has been manufacturing quality-tuning parts for our cars for years, more expensive parts, but usually quality products cost more. Here is what I meant … After you announced here, about a week ago, that headers have been delivered to you and are ready for shipment, I’ve been checking with your website the whole week, and did not find any info regarding new headers. I think that I was not the only one who wondered what was the deal with new headers and deserved to get some answers. Just keep us updated. That is all.

 

Well said. Tuesday is coming.....dyno slip time.

 

i cant wait to see...the post

 

To keep this post going, WTF is the point of making a Maxima RWD. Have you guys honestly considered what's involved? Sure, it's definately possible, but here are some things to consider:

1) How are you going to mount the tranny? Ever notice how much higher the center tunnel is on a RWD car? The only way to make this work is to cut out the entire center tunnel and make it bigger. In the process of cutting out and replacing the tunnel, you risk killing much of the structural integrity of the chassis. Not only will the tunnel have to be taller, it will have to be wider impeding on foot foot and requiring relocating the ECU, throttle, brake, and possibly clutch position. With the taller tunnel, you'll need to cut the hell out of the stock console. The seats will need to be relocated further outside too. What about the bottom and top of the bench seat? It will have to sit higher. How do you compensate for that?

2) How about the rear? Do you plan on an IRS or a live axle? Either way, you'll need to cut out much of the trunk and possibly fenderwells to make room for the much larger IRS or live axle setup because of the differential case. An IRS would a massive amount of body work.

3) What kind of engine do you plan on using? Assuming you're going to use the VQ, how are you going to fab the mounts? How are you going to compensate for the steering box and linkage because it sits exactly where the tranny will. I suggest you take a HARD look at how much different a RWD setup is from a FWD setup.

That's just the major stuff I can think of right now. It would be far cheaper to get something like a used BMW 540 6 speed that comes with a 6 speed, RWD, and a V8. I guess I just don't see the point to all of this unless you've got a massive amount of money (~20K) that needs to be spent.



Dave

 

Yeah, what Dave said. After spending all that effort and money, what do you have? A rear wheel drive Maxima. Whoop-de-doo.

 

hahaha i guarantee anyone who attempts this would be sadly dissappointed in how much money they spent in making such a little step. to top it off it wouldnt have the performance that you'd want anyways unless u have another 5 - 10 k to fabricate a FI system that would fit with the new set up

 

tuesday is when im getting the dyno done...it is up to stone racing to release the numbers or not. please do not blame me for the inconvenience.

 

rear wheel drive mildly affects handling and stuff. a rear sway bar would make more handling difference than making your max RWD...only other cool thing i can think of is less torque steer and rear wheel burn outs

 

having your tail whip behind as you take a corner...

 

RWD = more balenced wieght, so better handling.
RWD = less power to ground(i think, but its not a big differ)
4th gen RWD = NOOO
6th gen+ RWD = HUGE yes

 

its called e-brake on a front wheel drive car works especially well with a lot of wheel hp