I think they all advertise Gross...

they haven't advertised Net HP since....the Nixon Era....

I've never heard anyone ask that question....

interesting though...

-vq

 

I've been searching for the standard applied in the US but can't find it. Is it Gross HP? If it's gross, then there goes the 15 HP because that's done without mufflers or any accessories being driven, the pullies aren't even installed, from what I've read, the alternator isn't even being driven.

Net HP, they install all the accessories / pulleys and go through the muffler(s).

If they mis-presresented HP according to standards they should be held accoutnable. I think some folks here got their panites in a bunch because I seemed ant-law suit. I'm just trying to be realistic. Sorry I'm in late, I just bought my '03 4 days ago.

Besides my thinking on Net v. Gross HP, what about tire size? The bigger ya go the less HP you are going to measure on a dyno. Perhaps because of the 17" rims, the gear ratio wasn't close enough to 1:1?

 

I think they all advertise Gross...

they haven't advertised Net HP since....the Nixon Era....

I've never heard anyone ask that question....

interesting though...

-vq

 

look guy, sorry to flame you, but you're really not getting any respect from me now... You should really read up on this, I am putting you on "ignore"....

I had a little (respect for you) a minute ago, because you stood up for yourself...

but it doens't matter how the Maxima's HP was rated, (Gross or Net) because they rated the Altima the same way...

The Altima was rated at 240hp, and it's dyno's are just about exactly the same as the Maxima's 255hp...that is why things don't look right...

really, before you reply to anything else, take the time to read the rest of this thread....if you don't have the time, don't post "fact" when you havne't a clue.

peace out, and please read the whole thread!

-vq

 

Altima SE's have 17inch wheels....

would an inch of wheel realy make you lose 15 horsepower?

you newbies crack me up...

 

n00bs post 3 times for 1 reply

 

Hey guys, i'm sure most of you remember the let's sue nissan for 15 hp thread from several weeks ago well it did not die down and the attorney is still working very hard at this. What we need ASAP is a 2002 nissan maxima in the Philadelphia Area to volunteer to have their car's engine pulled and hooked up to an engine dyno. it's the only way we can get hard evidence and have an automotive engineer testify for us. so..... anyone who might be interested and has a stock 2k2 or a near stock 2k2 that they can make stock again please let me know. any questions please post here.

 

yes, yes we do...

-vq

 

i don't feel like searching...where do you need me to send the dyno I got done yesterday?

if you don't need it, dont' tell me that, because then I wasted $55...

if that's the case, just have me mail/fax it anyway...or could I just scan the thing, and send it via email to you?

-vq

 

miata forum....i hope it works...

i asked the miata guys what they did to get there HP...

I'll repost or delete if it don't work.

 

WE have so many postwhores on this thread, that is why i'm not giving anymore information, so all info will come from steve now

 

What is a postwhore? Can we get some names please?....

on a serious note.. What is steves name on this thread/forum that way I can know. Thanks.

 

post *****= VQMAN; RyRy; 92SE-RiceBOY; uhhh...did I say I was a post *****?!

I'm almost certain Steve's login is: dmbmaxima2k2 , but I could be mistaken.


The Miata guys act like our case is ENTIRELY different, because they had an all new model come out, with an advertised HP being higher, but Magazines showing the same performance numbers as the previous "lower HP" model

They think this is different than ours...but instead of the 2k1 (previous "lower HP" model, we are using the Altima as our benchmark)...looks like RyRy had a better point that we first thought.

Steve,
Where do I need to send my dyno?

-vq

 

FAX IT TO HIM, OR SCAN IT AND SEND IT OVER EMAIL! EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT....it doesn't matter what the miata guys say or whatever anyone else says, a lawyer won't take a class action case unless they think it's winable

 

I try to be done post whoring...but it never works...

I know the Miata case isn't exactly like ours, but it's similar, and it doesn't hurt to ask people who've been through a similar experience for some advice.

One has to be able to tell the difference between case specifics, but generally speaking, they should be able to offer some words of wisdom...why not?
-vq

 

Hey itdood, i have one question for you...maybe a couple. Have you ever seen the commercial with the TL type-S where the couple follows some ducks from a snowy area far far away to a warm and sunny beach? And at the end, a guy says the 260 horse power TL type S. Now heres another way to look at it. Same commercial, except this commercial will be about a Nissan Maxima. Here goes.... The 255 horsepower... Crankshaft. Does that sound right to you? All i am saying is how or what the hell is nissan thinking? Do they even dyno their cars, or do they just make sup some shi*. And common, I am sure nissan has got every exucse in the book to cover their ***-es, but in the end, the truth will come out... they are fake. one more question, what is a FUBAR? thanks.

 

Fu@#ed up beyond all Recogniton

 

here's some "good" news for all the optimistic folk on this thread.
Dave B...a fellow KC Max owner, said he watched a 5-speed 3.0 5th Gen Max by dyno'd at the same place I got my 2k3 dyno'd:

results
2003 6 speed SE 204fwhp 219fwtq nissan claim=255hp 246ftlb
2001 5 speed SE 193fwhp 191fwtq nissan claim=222hp 217ftlb
...............diffenence 21hp 28ftlb ...alleged gains 33hp 29ftlb

now if you take the nissan claim of 222hp and add the 21hp gain we saw on the 2003...you get 243hp

Take the nissan claim of 217ftlbs, and add the gain we saw (28ftlb) and you get 245ftlbs

so it looks like our claims are pretty accurate.

unless this new 6 speed is SO horrible that it has alot more driveline loss...

BUT WAIT...automatics...the same automatics found in the 2k1 are putting out less than 204 at the dyno...so the 6 speed ISN'T giving outrageous driveline losses...

As soon as we get someone to dyno the ENGINE by itself in Philly, we should slam-dunk Nissan.

-vq

 

Has anyone tried to get any of the consumer watchdog groups or automotive press to take up our cause on this issue? I have been following this thread for a couple of months now and have not seen anything on TV or read about it in magazines. Also, does anyone really expect Nissan to buy our cars back? What about lessees? I don't own my car, I lease it so for me there is an end in sight but how will I benefit from any type of settlement?

 

WE DON'T WANT IT IN THE PAPERS OR MAGAZINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YET....SO NONE OF YOU GET ANY BRIGHT/ OR MORE LIKE STUPID IDEAS

 

Stupid? Get your head out of your...It's already all over the net. The more people who know about it the better. I sure am glad I sent a link to this forum to Newsday.

 

Hey John, i have a question. It is true that it is all over in the internet, but why dont we want it all over? Will that not help our cause? I am confused. Please explain before i do something studpid.

TO vqman - hey, your friend with the 5 speed. I heard nice things about the year that he has, could there be any power loss due to wear and tear.... Racing maybe? thanks.

 

im not going to post, but if you want to know oxidizer email me, i'd be happy to answer your questions..........anyway, seems like the other guy ruined it for everyone, but nobody else go out and do anything, there is a method behind everything.........plus nissan is watching we know that

 

I understand there maybe something you have going on as far as a possible settlement, if so someone who is in contact with the powers that be sould email the posters to this thread.
Otherwise I can't see why we wouldn't want the media in on this. For the story some publication may even front the car for the engine dyno...

 

Maximaman777: I think the media would definately help our cause...they would put Nissan in a bad situation...especially if Nissan knows our claim is true. It would force them to give us a better settlement...if we keep this from going to the press before anything is settled, Nissan newver loses face...I think a car magazine would pull a VQ out of an Altima and a Maxima...they have the funds...they would love to have Nissan grovelling at their feet!

johnvt1111...With the Miata...The Media tested the Miata, found it was slower than the 2000 model, with the same tranny, same weight...the owners didn't do a thing...the Media figured it out, and Mazda offerd a buy back...why not support your statements with a little explaination? Because you must have some reason behind saying this...and why not post? we all want to know...emailing each other on a topic so controversial will only keep people from being in the know, and you'll be answering the same questions over, and over...

oxidzer: I think the 2k1 was dyno'd like a year ago....another friend of mine has a 1996 5 speed...w/120k miles...that sucker still gets up and moves...I don't think these VQ engines lose much power, if any...you ever see in the magazines how some cars have better 0-60 and 1/4 mile times AFTER the car has 40,000 miles on it....I'm talking about Long Term Tests...in the car mags...

When cars lost power...that was back in the old days...when 40-50K later, the power was gone...that doesn't really happen anymore, especially not with the VQ...especially not 10hp...my thoughts...could be wrong.

-vq

 

your wrong again VQ, you keep telling people what to do and case examples, but are you a lawyer, do u know what's really going on behind the scenes? Please if you don't know, just ask, i'll help you as much as I can

 

am I a lawyer? no

are you a lawyer? no

did I ask some questios? yes

did you answer my questions? no

why? because you know nothing...

-vq

 

your not asking questions, your telling things basically, and i wouldn't tell you not to say them or do them if it wasn't for your benefit........are you this difficult of a person to work with?

 

yes, I am difficult...just like you.

to thet point: the question on everyone's mind is...

why not go to the media with this? how would it hurt our case? especially if Nissan already is reading this post as you say?

-vq

 

i sent you an email over an hour ago telling you why, or don't you read emails

 

haven't checked yet...

why not post it so we can all read it? or do you not want Nissan to see it?

-vq

 

MY POINT EXACTLY IS THEY DON'T READ IT, you need to put 2 and 2 together

 

I thought you said on the last post that Nissan didn't know...

"put two and two together man"...that would be easy if your information was consistent.

you are confusing me man...

-vq

 

then you go on to say:I thought you said on the last post that Nissan didn't know...

"put two and two together man"...that would be easy if your information was consistent.

you are confusing me man...

-vq

 

i left out "my point exactly """"SO"""" they don't read it"....meaning i don't want them to know what i told you....any other questions you can ask me at johnvt1111 on instant messanger

 

After personally talking to John, i now agree that we should try to keep it on a downlow. At the same time, I am conflicted because I thought the more attention we had to this matter, the more help we would get. I guess its all fuc*ked up. I just hope that we do the right thing and use Facts rather and opions on this matter.

 

Uh... I dunno if I would do this to my car... considering that I plan on keeping her for a while & I have the extended warranty. I am in the Phiily area, but sorry Steve... I can't do it to my car.

Why can't we rent one for a week?... I am willing to pitch in $$$

G

 

As a spokesperson/public information officer for an organization with over annual expenditures/budgets over a billion dollars, I fully understand why this complaint should be kept to a low-level grass roots roar until there is a legal agreement or some sort of legally binding process in place.

Going public with our complaint isn't guaranteed to pressure Nissan into rectifying the situation because of the variety of ways Nissan can spin the accusation which could cause the support from the court of public opinion to collapse on itself. In addition, any response on Nissan's part in the court of public opinion is non-binding and Nissan could "mysteriously" fail to follow through and blame it on "internal issues" or the cost of going in a different direction.

Fortunately, (or unfortunately for some of the poor and/or uninformed consumers) in a free market it is often necessary (and even desirable) to deal with disagreements between consumers and corporations in a court of law. This often requires secrecy during the (time consuming) research portion of the case in order to solidify the legal basis on which the case will be decided.

I'm content to wait for the results of the process that has been undertaken by others on this board.

 

wow........... Very very professionally said. and true.
Do you have any recommendations? I think that would be good.

Also, has anyone notice a huge slowdown in Maxima.org forums?

 

i wouldn't trust the results from a rented one.

and this will be done in front of professionals who are some of the best in their fields and will make sure that everything is put together better then it originally was.