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Old May 18, 2012 | 12:25 PM
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From bestbuy. They are offering a $500 discount from msrp already. And i would wait till thanksgiving for some sales however I do not have a tv at all right now.

For some reason I do not want to get a plasma unit.
Best Buy is usually the highest, with them have to wait every week to see if a better deal comes up, do you guys have a Frys Electronics near you.....
Old May 18, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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Lol. Aside from the full swap (which is in progress) this has been the progression of my car.
Hopefully mine starts off smooth!!! That damn nats better plug in!


Originally Posted by Rods03Max619
Best Buy is usually the highest, with them have to wait every week to see if a better deal comes up, do you guys have a Frys Electronics near you.....
Fry's... that place... omg

I can't help myself in that store.
Old May 18, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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From bestbuy. They are offering a $500 discount from msrp already. And i would wait till thanksgiving for some sales however I do not have a tv at all right now.

For some reason I do not want to get a plasma unit.

Plasmas are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they are very bright and they all run at 600Hz so you never have a distorted picture. On the other hand, you will eventually have pinkish crap filtering in to the white parts of the picture as the pixels start exploding. It's weird. My 42" Samsung plasma is 6 years old and works great, but I have that pink only on totally white screens, but if it goes to anything else, the picture is perfect and the hi-def looks fantastic. I did the proper 100 hours break-in with the contrast turned way down and the picture relatively dark. I have no burn-in anywhere, but I still have the pinkish-white screen now... The other problem with plasmas is they weigh a half-ton compared to an LCD or an LED. My next TV will probably be a 55" LED or LED-LCD, at least 120Hz, 240Hz if I can afford it.
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Originally Posted by Rods03Max619
Best Buy is usually the highest, with them have to wait every week to see if a better deal comes up, do you guys have a Frys Electronics near you.....

Frys is good and here in Oregon we have a Video Only which will beat anyone's price for a TV, even Frys.
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Hhgregg looks nice i never been in there tho
Old May 18, 2012 | 01:43 PM
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Hhgregg looks nice i never been in there tho
Keep it that way. HHGregg sucks. I went there once when one opened by me. Small, poor selection, stupid store layout, and most of all everything was horribly overpriced.
Old May 18, 2012 | 01:45 PM
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Plasmas are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they are very bright and they all run at 600Hz so you never have a distorted picture. On the other hand, you will eventually have pinkish crap filtering in to the white parts of the picture as the pixels start exploding. It's weird. My 42" Samsung plasma is 6 years old and works great, but I have that pink only on totally white screens, but if it goes to anything else, the picture is perfect and the hi-def looks fantastic. I did the proper 100 hours break-in with the contrast turned way down and the picture relatively dark. I have no burn-in anywhere, but I still have the pinkish-white screen now... The other problem with plasmas is they weigh a half-ton compared to an LCD or an LED. My next TV will probably be a 55" LED or LED-LCD, at least 120Hz, 240Hz if I can afford it.
Plasmas don't have pixels. The pink crap is the anti-glare filter they put on them (and Panasonics are notorious for it). LCD's have pixels and suffer from pixelation (pixels burn out and you start getting black dots on the screen). LED's suffer from uneven picture brightness, especially when LEDs start to burn out. Plasmas suffer from burn-in (an image will burn onto the screen, causing a "ghost" image). But most plasmas nowadays come with a tool in the settings to "erase" burn-in.

Basically, each has its tradeoff against the other types. If you're dead-set on an LED, get the highest quality you can afford, 'cause it sucks when the LEDs burn out.

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Old May 18, 2012 | 01:54 PM
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Go bigger and get Plasma.






Called the body shop that's got the wife's outback for a status update, and I get told that the $1420 insurance estimate has morphed into a $3600 repair ! Shee-it, good thing we're only on the hook for the deductible.

The assessed value of the car is $4200 so it's in that territory...... I want it fixed, not totalled.
It will generally be deemed a total loss once the repair bill reaches 80% of the value. If they do total it out, the silver lining for you will be that you can "buy it back" from them dirt-cheap (they pay you the difference). Then you can find a cheap, reputable body shop (plenty of mom & pop shops are cheap and reputable) to do the repairs and you can end up with a nice wad of cash in your pocket.
Old May 18, 2012 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EuroDriver
Plasmas don't have pixels. The pink crap is the anti-glare filter they put on them (and Panasonics are notorious for it). LCD's have pixels and suffer from pixelation (pixels burn out and you start getting black dots on the screen). LED's suffer from uneven picture brightness, especially when LEDs start to burn out. Plasmas suffer from burn-in (an image will burn onto the screen, causing a "ghost" image). But most plasmas nowadays come with a tool in the settings to "erase" burn-in.

Basically, each has its tradeoff against the other types. If you're dead-set on an LED, get the highest quality you can afford, 'cause it sucks when the LEDs burn out.

Can you explain how a plasma makes it's picture? Because I can tell you when I look very closely at the picture I can see individual squares in the picture that look an awful lot like pixels.
Old May 18, 2012 | 02:01 PM
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Can you explain how a plasma makes it's picture? Because I can tell you when I look very closely at the picture I can see individual squares in the picture that look an awful lot like pixels.
From what I understand (and I'm no expert on the subject), plasmas use a gas inside the panel that when energized, produces light in the necessary colors. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_a_plasma_TV_work

Here's a decent explanation of the differences: http://www.cnet.com.au/plasma-vs-lcd...-240036500.htm

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Old May 18, 2012 | 02:06 PM
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OK, so I just did some reading on how a plasma is made up and I'm sort of going to have to disagree with you Euro on plasmas not having pixels. They are in fact made up of many hundreds of thousands of tiny cells of xenon and neon gas sandwiched between 2 plates of glass. Now maybe the actual "technical" term for it is a "cell", but it amounts to exactly the same thing as a pixel.

From Wiki, the definition of a pixel: pixel, or pel,[1] (picture element[2]) is a physical point in a raster image, or the smallest, addressable element in a display device; so it is the smallest, controllable element of a picture represented on the screen
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Thinks someones HD is off plasma contains no pixels i can explaim more later btw i am isa certified thru BB to calibrate and R&R ht equipment
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The pinkish hue you see is from a coating on the glass to reduce glare look at some car windshields feom a angle you will see a blue or pinkish hue at the top its the same concept
Old May 18, 2012 | 02:42 PM
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I know that the lwfw doesn't change engine output. But if it changes the rate of acceleration through the minimization of drive train loss, doesn't that mean the rollers on the dyno will spin faster? Thus resulting in a higher number on paper?

I'm thinking of it the same way you look at AT vs MT dynos. The engine puts out the same power of course. But the wheels see more of that power it was missing out on which results in a higher number on the dyno.
From My understanding? No. dyno's aren't just free wheels that measure speed, they actually measure the load applied, etc.

This means that even it accelerates faster that wont change the actual output numbers.

Yes, auto vs. manual will put diff. numbers down but that's becuase the power flow is completely different, the transmission of power is different, this translates in to different power loss through the geartrain.

This is why comparing a DM flywheel to LW one piece you could see minor gains on a dyno, becuase a DM flywheel could potentially rob some power in it's dampening effect.
Old May 18, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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force is equl to mass*acceleration. THis is the principle they work off of. The weight of the rollers is known. The computer is connected to the ignition system to measure the RPMS. Once the speed of the rollers is measured they use these numbers to calculate wheel HP. Simple concept but is different from brake horsepower which is the actual engines HP without loss through the drivetrain
Old May 18, 2012 | 02:49 PM
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Oh and btw thanks for answering my msg about the LED's tuner
Old May 18, 2012 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
From My understanding? No. dyno's aren't just free wheels that measure speed, they actually measure the load applied, etc.

This means that even it accelerates faster that wont change the actual output numbers.

Yes, auto vs. manual will put diff. numbers down but that's becuase the power flow is completely different, the transmission of power is different, this translates in to different power loss through the geartrain.

This is why comparing a DM flywheel to LW one piece you could see minor gains on a dyno, becuase a DM flywheel could potentially rob some power in it's dampening effect.
All of this is the reason why till this day, I prefer to street tune. I'm not saying that a dyno is useless at all. I think it is essential to fine tuning. But i've beaten cars that dyno upwards of 260whp. And I know for a fact that i'd be lucky to pull 220whp in perfect conditions.
Old May 18, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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All of this is the reason why till this day, I prefer to street tune. I'm not saying that a dyno is useless at all. I think it is essential to fine tuning. But i've beaten cars that dyno upwards of 260whp. And I know for a fact that i'd be lucky to pull 220whp in perfect conditions.
Did you see them dyno at this number? Either they are lying or they use a crappy dyno. Some less than reputable tuners change smoothing factors to make it seem like they made your car 30hp faster to get you to come back. Old software and numerous other things can affect output as well. On a modern dyno in a reputable shop. ITs accurate to within 10hp. A decent shop doesnt need to falsify numbers because they dont need anymore customers lol. You dont NEED a dyno like most people seem to think but its safer to do it in a controlled environment and if you frequent shops like I do you get a good bang for your buck

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Old May 18, 2012 | 03:01 PM
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Did you see them dyno at this number? Either they are lying or they use a crappy dyno and some less than reputable tuners change smoothing factors to make it seem like they made your car 30hp faster. Old software etc. On a modern dyno in a reputable shop. ITs accurate to within 10hp. A decent shop doesnt need to falsify numbers because they dont need anymore customers lol. You dont NEED a dyno like most people seem to think but its safer to do it in a controlled environment and if you frequent shops like I do you get a good bang for your buck
search up dynos of full bolt on acura cl-s 6MT. They tend to dyno pretty high.
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lol my msg made no sense when I reread it lol had to edit. Oh there are some cars that dyno way high and others that dyno low. Its weird and I couldn't tell you why. Then again 300hp is all relative to what car its in too. Im just saying that a good dyno is pretty damn accurate and unless you want to take your engine out to get a true number then its really the only game in town. Not all roller are created equal either.
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Just did a quick search myself and it looks like the average ones dyno around the 240whp range with a few up in the 260s. Still, that should be more than enough to take this old tired dek down.
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Just did a quick search myself and it looks like the average ones dyno around the 240whp range with a few up in the 260s. Still, that should be more than enough to take this old tired dek down.
You would think. Like I said its probably them lying or the dyno/software that is downright ancient. Im lucky to live in ATL where there are tons of shops competing against each other but a lot of people only have 1 game in town so the shop has no reason to upgrade equipment you know? It can be a shady game
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*** dyno best measure of HP there is
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Thinks someones HD is off plasma contains no pixels i can explaim more later btw i am isa certified thru BB to calibrate and R&R ht equipment
Looking forward to an explanation of how hundreds of thousands of individual cells of excitable gas are not "pixels".
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The pinkish hue you see is from a coating on the glass to reduce glare look at some car windshields feom a angle you will see a blue or pinkish hue at the top its the same concept
So is that coating breaking down as time goes on then? Because I only see it on parts of the screen that are turning white. Once they change color, the pink is gone.
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In reality how fast do you want to go?190mph why?how fast do you think you have to go in order to loose your licence is it worth it?
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It will generally be deemed a total loss once the repair bill reaches 80% of the value. If they do total it out, the silver lining for you will be that you can "buy it back" from them dirt-cheap (they pay you the difference). Then you can find a cheap, reputable body shop (plenty of mom & pop shops are cheap and reputable) to do the repairs and you can end up with a nice wad of cash in your pocket.
So, then...if they total it out we can buy it back? Our deduct is 1K, so if they total it at 4k they give us a check for 3k, yes (our deduct minus value)? If we "bought it back", the check would be like, 2k? I'm not sure. BUT then we'd have a car with a salvage title yes?
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Looking forward to an explanation of how hundreds of thousands of individual cells of excitable gas are not "pixels".
Pocketed glass was only used on early plasma before the use of the current plasma grid amplifers
Old May 18, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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In reality how fast do you want to go?190mph why?how fast do you think you have to go in order to loose your licence is it worth it?
Whatever's fast enough to send me back to the future. I tried 88mph, but it didn't work out to well...
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Hopefully mine starts off smooth!!! That damn nats better plug in!




Fry's... that place... omg

I can't help myself in that store.
Hell yeah deals all through the week in the Newspaper on Mon. Weds. Fri. and Sunday....
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Whatever's fast enough to send me back to the future. I tried 88mph, but it didn't work out to well...
See if aackshun has a flux capasitor and harness off a 80's delorian you'll also need a Mr.Fusion maby the chinese joint has a extra one of them next to the 3fer5 packs of 4B hair and $5 wigs
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Plasmas are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they are very bright and they all run at 600Hz so you never have a distorted picture. On the other hand, you will eventually have pinkish crap filtering in to the white parts of the picture as the pixels start exploding. It's weird. My 42" Samsung plasma is 6 years old and works great, but I have that pink only on totally white screens, but if it goes to anything else, the picture is perfect and the hi-def looks fantastic. I did the proper 100 hours break-in with the contrast turned way down and the picture relatively dark. I have no burn-in anywhere, but I still have the pinkish-white screen now... The other problem with plasmas is they weigh a half-ton compared to an LCD or an LED. My next TV will probably be a 55" LED or LED-LCD, at least 120Hz, 240Hz if I can afford it.
Got a Samsung 50'' Plasma had it for about 2 yrs going on 3, No Problems at all and bomb a$$ picture, I got my kid a 32'' Sanmsung LCD for video games but he likes to play on the Plasma since its bigger I only let him play like a hour or so dont want burnt images on the screen.....for me Plasmas I love Em and pretty cheap as long as I get 4yrs off of them Im happy...but sure will get way more out of it....
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So is that coating breaking down as time goes on then? Because I only see it on parts of the screen that are turning white. Once they change color, the pink is gone.
Yup mostly dynex,visio,sharp and lower brands use this coating instead of eglass
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*** dyno best measure of HP there is
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Yup mostly dynex,visio,sharp and lower brands use this coating instead of eglass
Dynex my bro in law had one it wasnt a pretty picture...
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Just did a quick search myself and it looks like the average ones dyno around the 240whp range with a few up in the 260s. Still, that should be more than enough to take this old tired dek down.
just like anything there's a billion variables.
Many concede that 1/4 mile times and 0-60 are the most accurate times, but tuning must be done via dyno to really do a good job.

HP numbers are what you tell the boys around coffee. If you're serious about shyt, those numbers don't mean a lot, it's the times you put down in a race that matter.
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just like anything there's a billion variables.
Many concede that 1/4 mile times and 0-60 are the most accurate times, but tuning must be done via dyno to really do a good job.

HP numbers are what you tell the boys around coffee. If you're serious about shyt, those numbers don't mean a lot, it's the times you put down in a race that matter.
Well Put....
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QFT...

Btw, what caliber is it?
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Here's a Gerry can full of gas. In order to light it on fire, you have to first remove the safety cap by depressing the locking tabs, and turning it in the proper direction, then you have to pour the gas out over something.

But this is still safe. As an added safety feature, you need a Lighter to do anything further!



Even more safe, there's a safety depress tab on the lighter before you can strike it. Once depressed you can now use the lighter. Then, you have to actually put the lighter, WHILE lit, up to the gasoline.

So that's why lighters and gas are perfectly safe, and don't light on fire. People light fires.










I appreciate your effort in this matter, and you can truly argue with me and win on many fronts about pro-guns. But that concept is way to ignorant for you to believe CJ, yo'ure far to smart for that. Wash that concept out of your head.
That's a bad description to use to make your point. You're talking about using gasoline in a manor it wasn't designed for. A firearm has a purpose, to fire a round. Gasoline has a purpose, fuel for internal combustion engines. So in order to compare gasoline to a gun as you have, you would have to describe it in a way where you're using gunpowder from the rounds. This actually doesn't even involve the gun itself at all since where talking about the rounds. And you don't have to take a bullet or a shotshell apart for this. You can go to any local sporting goods store and buy gunpowder.
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QFT...

Btw, what caliber is it?
9mm with 20rd mags filled with black talons
xdm are on sale right now you get a total of 5 20rd mags with them 2 in the case and 3 free in the mail



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