WarpSpeed is back on the SFC Game! (56k Beware)
Originally Posted by d00df00d
I honestly wonder at what point the WSP guys will realize how bad they are making themselves look.
I kind of hope it's not soon, though, because this is a riot...
I kind of hope it's not soon, though, because this is a riot...
Originally Posted by mtrai760
Deadbeat? He's the one who left everyone hanging, waiting for parts while he couldn't get HIS act together and actually produce a product that the market demanded. How long is production going to last this time? A week, a month? He really needs to 
BTW, I purchased parts from Warpspeed before. For the last 7 years they have had terrible customer service. I bought a Y-pipe from them back before I had seen any others. It arrived and fit like crap, rubbing with bee's in the can sound. I thought, hey, that's what I'm going to get with aftermarket parts for this car. WRONG! I bought a Cattman later, and what a WORLD of different, zero fitment issues, zero sound issues, ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES. I tried to go back later and purchase subframe bars from them, and I couldn't GIVE my money away. I will never buy, nor will I EVER recommend, buying anything from Warpspeed, ever again.
BTW, I purchased parts from Warpspeed before. For the last 7 years they have had terrible customer service. I bought a Y-pipe from them back before I had seen any others. It arrived and fit like crap, rubbing with bee's in the can sound. I thought, hey, that's what I'm going to get with aftermarket parts for this car. WRONG! I bought a Cattman later, and what a WORLD of different, zero fitment issues, zero sound issues, ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES. I tried to go back later and purchase subframe bars from them, and I couldn't GIVE my money away. I will never buy, nor will I EVER recommend, buying anything from Warpspeed, ever again.
Originally Posted by irish44j
interesting that they haven't yet come on here to defend themselves....because you KNOW that Dallas has read this thread...
Originally Posted by The Law
Really? I bet he is too scared too cause it will be raining fire!
A quick look-see shows that he was online just a few days ago.
I want to remind everyone of one of the LAST TIMES Dallas posted on here. If you all recall, it was when we were all discussing designing a new SFC as an alternative to WSP, since their service sucks. We had a good thread going on, discussing some ideas, and then Dallas came in and said:
Originally Posted by Dallas from Warpspeed
One other thing, if you are going to copy our stuff, you might not want to discuss it on a public forum. Maxima.org cannot indemnify themselves from any damages that might occur due to the discussion of the copying of our designs, a couple of nice things about paying for an attorney is that they are a fountain of information.
regards
Dallas
WarpSpeed Performance
regards
Dallas
WarpSpeed Performance
Originally Posted by irish44j
OG members recall that dallas's org name is "bmfjeep"
A quick look-see shows that he was online just a few days ago.
I want to remind everyone of one of the LAST TIMES Dallas posted on here. If you all recall, it was when we were all discussing designing a new SFC as an alternative to WSP, since their service sucks. We had a good thread going on, discussing some ideas, and then Dallas came in and said:
Yeah, he threatened to sue the org
A quick look-see shows that he was online just a few days ago.
I want to remind everyone of one of the LAST TIMES Dallas posted on here. If you all recall, it was when we were all discussing designing a new SFC as an alternative to WSP, since their service sucks. We had a good thread going on, discussing some ideas, and then Dallas came in and said:
Yeah, he threatened to sue the org
I remember that!
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
I honestly wonder at what point the WSP guys will realize how bad they are making themselves look.
I kind of hope it's not soon, though, because this is a riot...
I kind of hope it's not soon, though, because this is a riot...
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Originally Posted by irish44j
OG members recall that dallas's org name is "bmfjeep"
A quick look-see shows that he was online just a few days ago.
I want to remind everyone of one of the LAST TIMES Dallas posted on here. If you all recall, it was when we were all discussing designing a new SFC as an alternative to WSP, since their service sucks. We had a good thread going on, discussing some ideas, and then Dallas came in and said:
Yeah, he threatened to sue the org
A quick look-see shows that he was online just a few days ago.
I want to remind everyone of one of the LAST TIMES Dallas posted on here. If you all recall, it was when we were all discussing designing a new SFC as an alternative to WSP, since their service sucks. We had a good thread going on, discussing some ideas, and then Dallas came in and said:
Yeah, he threatened to sue the org
because you can't pull an effective lawsuit if you aren't organized and WSP didn't strike me as being well organized in the least.
Originally Posted by irish44j
on the same car??!?!?!?! 
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Originally Posted by NISMAX03
The TRUAX SFC was installed on my Max. I no longer hear the rattling I did before and expressway ramps are a lot more fun now.
Originally Posted by d00df00d
Are you serious? There have been a few reviews IIRC....
the orginal poster stated that he was going to do a comparison of the truax and warpspeed version. Later in the same thread, he stated that warpspeed didn't want a head to head done. I'm waiting for the review of the warpspeed version just because the tubing is round vs the truax square style. I'm no metallurgist or frame specialist, so I don't know if there is any performance difference with the two different styles of tubing. In the end of it all, I just want the best part for my car.
Originally Posted by funky_monkey58
How did it affect your ride? In chicago you could really feel the crappy roads.
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The first thing I noticed was the lack of rattling going over road irregularities. The car feels solid, like it was forged from one piece of metal. Lane changes are much crisper with less steering effort. The best thing I noticed was that sharp turns are easily controlled. There is no loss of traction at all, even at much higher speeds. I am extremely pleased with the results of the SFCs.
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This thread cracks me up.
I can think of 5+ companies off the top of my head that make the same basic sub frame connectors for my Mustang. IIR all of them use square tubing and are of the same basic size, shape, and form and they all perform equally. Seeing this design and the attachment points of both I have believing one is better than the other.
But this I do know.
Its hard to believe with all the A32's and A33's out on the road that there is such little support for aftermarket parts for these cars. And to top it all off we have to deal with companies like Warpspeed who offer such terrible customer service and support. With that being said it really doesn't matter to me which one is better as I would rather put my trust into a company that does not conduct such shoddy business and stands behind there products. Instead of in a company who spends half there free time trash talking the competition. Maybe if some said companies would spend more time working on products instead of propaganda it wouldn't take 2 1/2 weeks to ship a simple Y-Pipe.
I can think of 5+ companies off the top of my head that make the same basic sub frame connectors for my Mustang. IIR all of them use square tubing and are of the same basic size, shape, and form and they all perform equally. Seeing this design and the attachment points of both I have believing one is better than the other.
But this I do know.
Its hard to believe with all the A32's and A33's out on the road that there is such little support for aftermarket parts for these cars. And to top it all off we have to deal with companies like Warpspeed who offer such terrible customer service and support. With that being said it really doesn't matter to me which one is better as I would rather put my trust into a company that does not conduct such shoddy business and stands behind there products. Instead of in a company who spends half there free time trash talking the competition. Maybe if some said companies would spend more time working on products instead of propaganda it wouldn't take 2 1/2 weeks to ship a simple Y-Pipe.
And to top it all off we have to deal with companies like Warpspeed who offer such terrible customer service and support. With that being said it really doesn't matter to me which one is better as I would rather put my trust into a company that does not conduct such shoddy business and stands behind there products. Instead of in a company who spends half there free time trash talking the competition. Maybe if some said companies would spend more time working on products instead of propaganda it wouldn't take 2 1/2 weeks to ship a simple Y-Pipe.
Looks like I'm late to this party. So as stated previously I was one of what was probably a lot of people who wanted SFCs but warpspeed was the only one out there producing them at the time. I was going to buy from them and hounded them to purchase a set of their SFCs for months. To each phone call of course they responded the usual "just another couple weeks". Finally I got fed up and good thing I did because I ended up building something a lot better in the end, doing it the way I wanted, anyway. After looking at the quality of the WSP SFCs it was a blessing in disguise that they never got back to me. I dont particularly mind the fact that warp speed uses square tubing as I have found over time that square tubing, especially when welding it to something square like a frame rail makes a better fit and is generally a little cheaper (yes it does give up some tortional stiffness, but you can always use a little thicker wall tubing) What I do have a problem with is the thickness, and quality of the tubing as well as their overall design. The tubing thickness as well as the wall thickness of the square tubing they use is inadequate especially in the cross bracing. The OD is about .5" on the cross bracing which wouldent be THAT bad if it was some really solid material (thick wall tubing) was used. The stage 1 bracing of the WSP SFCs was also constructed of what I would consider inadequate materials for the price. It looked like they used 1" square tubing again of inadequate wall thickness.
Now that we've gone over the issue with the materials used the design of their SFCs in the past also presents some issues.. some of which include the fact that in all the examples I ever saw they never capped the ends of the tubing.. This is just plain unacceptable especially for the money they were charging. They didnt cap the stage 1 2 or 3 bracing tubing and all of which will rust out with time. Also their center section was all bolted together and joined together by a peice of flat stock.. Not really a problem if it was welded together although it would seem that a flattened tube welded to a peice of flat steel stock would create a high stress area and be suseptible to cracks at the welds. So this whole center section is just a bad idea in practice. Not that I can really blame them.. it was one of the only options they had available to them to allow them to ship the center section peices in boxes small enough to keep shipping costs down. Even so, the center section added to the cost and very little to the performance.
There are some things I did learn doing this myself, although I dont regret doing it myself at all. First of all I would never have even bothered with the center section of the cross bracing.. it doubles the cost (if not a little more) of creating SFCs and provides as said before only a little more performance. Also unless your welding the center section in I believe there is too much play in a bolt in solution, where the mild steel will actually expand around the bolt holes and create loose fitment over time. I also would have made my "stage 1" as it were of thicker tubing and tied it into the frame rails in a couple additional spots. I may have also used square tubing, although I am very happy with the round tubing used in my setup. The only other thing I would have changed would be what Rubberized undercoating was used originally. The guy who fabbed/installed the SFCs on my car used some cheap rubberized undercoat he had laying around the shop and although it looked good at first about a month later I looked under the car to see how things were holding up and all of that coating had come off and rust was forming on the SFCs and on the Frame rails
. I immediatly went to war on the rust and took care of it before it became a real issue and I used the good stuff( 3M undercoat) this time.. ever since then I have never had an issue.
All in all my custom fabbed SFCs were 430$ fabbed and installed, and I got the same type of tubing they use in roll cages. I could have probably cut that price in half if I hadent insisted on the center section cross bracing but we live and learn. Trust me when I say folks though that using the info I have provided in the past on what tubing to use and the pics I have provided that SFCs are a simple enough product that we really dont need companies making "kits" for these. Any race shop, or even some talented muffler shop guys could produce these custom for you at the same price with better quality tubing.
-Josh
Now that we've gone over the issue with the materials used the design of their SFCs in the past also presents some issues.. some of which include the fact that in all the examples I ever saw they never capped the ends of the tubing.. This is just plain unacceptable especially for the money they were charging. They didnt cap the stage 1 2 or 3 bracing tubing and all of which will rust out with time. Also their center section was all bolted together and joined together by a peice of flat stock.. Not really a problem if it was welded together although it would seem that a flattened tube welded to a peice of flat steel stock would create a high stress area and be suseptible to cracks at the welds. So this whole center section is just a bad idea in practice. Not that I can really blame them.. it was one of the only options they had available to them to allow them to ship the center section peices in boxes small enough to keep shipping costs down. Even so, the center section added to the cost and very little to the performance.
There are some things I did learn doing this myself, although I dont regret doing it myself at all. First of all I would never have even bothered with the center section of the cross bracing.. it doubles the cost (if not a little more) of creating SFCs and provides as said before only a little more performance. Also unless your welding the center section in I believe there is too much play in a bolt in solution, where the mild steel will actually expand around the bolt holes and create loose fitment over time. I also would have made my "stage 1" as it were of thicker tubing and tied it into the frame rails in a couple additional spots. I may have also used square tubing, although I am very happy with the round tubing used in my setup. The only other thing I would have changed would be what Rubberized undercoating was used originally. The guy who fabbed/installed the SFCs on my car used some cheap rubberized undercoat he had laying around the shop and although it looked good at first about a month later I looked under the car to see how things were holding up and all of that coating had come off and rust was forming on the SFCs and on the Frame rails
. I immediatly went to war on the rust and took care of it before it became a real issue and I used the good stuff( 3M undercoat) this time.. ever since then I have never had an issue.All in all my custom fabbed SFCs were 430$ fabbed and installed, and I got the same type of tubing they use in roll cages. I could have probably cut that price in half if I hadent insisted on the center section cross bracing but we live and learn. Trust me when I say folks though that using the info I have provided in the past on what tubing to use and the pics I have provided that SFCs are a simple enough product that we really dont need companies making "kits" for these. Any race shop, or even some talented muffler shop guys could produce these custom for you at the same price with better quality tubing.
-Josh
Are you still down in this area? I had the WS new version SFC's installed, and they are great from what I can feel and hear in my daily driving.
This thread cracks me up.
I can think of 5+ companies off the top of my head that make the same basic sub frame connectors for my Mustang. IIR all of them use square tubing and are of the same basic size, shape, and form and they all perform equally. Seeing this design and the attachment points of both I have believing one is better than the other.
But this I do know.
Its hard to believe with all the A32's and A33's out on the road that there is such little support for aftermarket parts for these cars. And to top it all off we have to deal with companies like Warpspeed who offer such terrible customer service and support. With that being said it really doesn't matter to me which one is better as I would rather put my trust into a company that does not conduct such shoddy business and stands behind there products. Instead of in a company who spends half there free time trash talking the competition. Maybe if some said companies would spend more time working on products instead of propaganda it wouldn't take 2 1/2 weeks to ship a simple Y-Pipe.
I can think of 5+ companies off the top of my head that make the same basic sub frame connectors for my Mustang. IIR all of them use square tubing and are of the same basic size, shape, and form and they all perform equally. Seeing this design and the attachment points of both I have believing one is better than the other.
But this I do know.
Its hard to believe with all the A32's and A33's out on the road that there is such little support for aftermarket parts for these cars. And to top it all off we have to deal with companies like Warpspeed who offer such terrible customer service and support. With that being said it really doesn't matter to me which one is better as I would rather put my trust into a company that does not conduct such shoddy business and stands behind there products. Instead of in a company who spends half there free time trash talking the competition. Maybe if some said companies would spend more time working on products instead of propaganda it wouldn't take 2 1/2 weeks to ship a simple Y-Pipe.
Looks like I'm late to this party. So as stated previously I was one of what was probably a lot of people who wanted SFCs but warpspeed was the only one out there producing them at the time. I was going to buy from them and hounded them to purchase a set of their SFCs for months. To each phone call of course they responded the usual "just another couple weeks". Finally I got fed up and good thing I did because I ended up building something a lot better in the end, doing it the way I wanted, anyway. After looking at the quality of the WSP SFCs it was a blessing in disguise that they never got back to me. I dont particularly mind the fact that warp speed uses square tubing as I have found over time that square tubing, especially when welding it to something square like a frame rail makes a better fit and is generally a little cheaper (yes it does give up some tortional stiffness, but you can always use a little thicker wall tubing) What I do have a problem with is the thickness, and quality of the tubing as well as their overall design. The tubing thickness as well as the wall thickness of the square tubing they use is inadequate especially in the cross bracing. The OD is about .5" on the cross bracing which wouldent be THAT bad if it was some really solid material (thick wall tubing) was used. The stage 1 bracing of the WSP SFCs was also constructed of what I would consider inadequate materials for the price. It looked like they used 1" square tubing again of inadequate wall thickness.
Now that we've gone over the issue with the materials used the design of their SFCs in the past also presents some issues.. some of which include the fact that in all the examples I ever saw they never capped the ends of the tubing.. This is just plain unacceptable especially for the money they were charging. They didnt cap the stage 1 2 or 3 bracing tubing and all of which will rust out with time. Also their center section was all bolted together and joined together by a peice of flat stock.. Not really a problem if it was welded together although it would seem that a flattened tube welded to a peice of flat steel stock would create a high stress area and be suseptible to cracks at the welds. So this whole center section is just a bad idea in practice. Not that I can really blame them.. it was one of the only options they had available to them to allow them to ship the center section peices in boxes small enough to keep shipping costs down. Even so, the center section added to the cost and very little to the performance.
There are some things I did learn doing this myself, although I dont regret doing it myself at all. First of all I would never have even bothered with the center section of the cross bracing.. it doubles the cost (if not a little more) of creating SFCs and provides as said before only a little more performance. Also unless your welding the center section in I believe there is too much play in a bolt in solution, where the mild steel will actually expand around the bolt holes and create loose fitment over time. I also would have made my "stage 1" as it were of thicker tubing and tied it into the frame rails in a couple additional spots. I may have also used square tubing, although I am very happy with the round tubing used in my setup. The only other thing I would have changed would be what Rubberized undercoating was used originally. The guy who fabbed/installed the SFCs on my car used some cheap rubberized undercoat he had laying around the shop and although it looked good at first about a month later I looked under the car to see how things were holding up and all of that coating had come off and rust was forming on the SFCs and on the Frame rails. I immediatly went to war on the rust and took care of it before it became a real issue and I used the good stuff( 3M undercoat) this time.. ever since then I have never had an issue.
All in all my custom fabbed SFCs were 430$ fabbed and installed, and I got the same type of tubing they use in roll cages. I could have probably cut that price in half if I hadent insisted on the center section cross bracing but we live and learn. Trust me when I say folks though that using the info I have provided in the past on what tubing to use and the pics I have provided that SFCs are a simple enough product that we really dont need companies making "kits" for these. Any race shop, or even some talented muffler shop guys could produce these custom for you at the same price with better quality tubing.
-Josh
Now that we've gone over the issue with the materials used the design of their SFCs in the past also presents some issues.. some of which include the fact that in all the examples I ever saw they never capped the ends of the tubing.. This is just plain unacceptable especially for the money they were charging. They didnt cap the stage 1 2 or 3 bracing tubing and all of which will rust out with time. Also their center section was all bolted together and joined together by a peice of flat stock.. Not really a problem if it was welded together although it would seem that a flattened tube welded to a peice of flat steel stock would create a high stress area and be suseptible to cracks at the welds. So this whole center section is just a bad idea in practice. Not that I can really blame them.. it was one of the only options they had available to them to allow them to ship the center section peices in boxes small enough to keep shipping costs down. Even so, the center section added to the cost and very little to the performance.
There are some things I did learn doing this myself, although I dont regret doing it myself at all. First of all I would never have even bothered with the center section of the cross bracing.. it doubles the cost (if not a little more) of creating SFCs and provides as said before only a little more performance. Also unless your welding the center section in I believe there is too much play in a bolt in solution, where the mild steel will actually expand around the bolt holes and create loose fitment over time. I also would have made my "stage 1" as it were of thicker tubing and tied it into the frame rails in a couple additional spots. I may have also used square tubing, although I am very happy with the round tubing used in my setup. The only other thing I would have changed would be what Rubberized undercoating was used originally. The guy who fabbed/installed the SFCs on my car used some cheap rubberized undercoat he had laying around the shop and although it looked good at first about a month later I looked under the car to see how things were holding up and all of that coating had come off and rust was forming on the SFCs and on the Frame rails
. I immediatly went to war on the rust and took care of it before it became a real issue and I used the good stuff( 3M undercoat) this time.. ever since then I have never had an issue.All in all my custom fabbed SFCs were 430$ fabbed and installed, and I got the same type of tubing they use in roll cages. I could have probably cut that price in half if I hadent insisted on the center section cross bracing but we live and learn. Trust me when I say folks though that using the info I have provided in the past on what tubing to use and the pics I have provided that SFCs are a simple enough product that we really dont need companies making "kits" for these. Any race shop, or even some talented muffler shop guys could produce these custom for you at the same price with better quality tubing.
-Josh
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