SurraTT

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Shop??


Quick ? can the ps1k control 2 intake cams?

EDIT: guess it can since u say z33 i have never herd or a ps1k on a z33 tho. Link?

aackshun

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http://powerfabauto.com/

According to them PS1K w/ a patch harness for a Z33 will work, I had the ECU's today while talking to them, they even said worse comes to worse they'll take the stock 07 Harness and use that to hard wire into the Haltech.

On the other hand... This seems like something up your alley Darren

But with the prices we discussed we somehow made it back within my original budget somehow, so I'm glad for that.

Flava_24/7

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You still anticipate having this completed by Oct?

aackshun

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Aw haleee nawww, incase you missed out I had to buy another 6MT, lost 4th gear in mine right now, set me back another two weeks.

My current goal is 11/15 IFO in Dallas.

aackshun

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GSP-8...ht_3629wt_1009

Found that by mistake... Hrmmm....

doublea

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Nice and it's compatible with the TPS.

aackshun

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-New...8#ht_969wt_939

*do want*

That plus two RX7 wheels for 130 shipped.... Mannnnn I need to buy a motor first

Shift_Max

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Why not get the Haltech platinum that is made for the z33 then?

aackshun

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I think that's what I meant to say?? They make plug and plays for the HR motor correct?? Then we're all guuuuud.

Either way, I showed them the ECU (07+ Altima), the individual said yeah, this will work.

Flava_24/7

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Um, yeah. Buying a motor might be a good start to your project,LOL.
GL, you still have over a month.

Shift_Max

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Haltech Platinum plug and play is only made for the vq35de motors. Haltech does not make a plug and play harness for the VQ35HR motor for some odd reason. However Injected Performance which is now Dynosty makes a harness to use the Haltech Platinum on the VQ35HR motors.
http://www.injectedperformance.com/n...anagement.html

SurraTT

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Wait what????



I thought your talking about the Haltech Sport 1000 ecu??


Different fron the Haltech Plug and play platinum pro 350z unit.

aackshun

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After some research....

Ughhh now I'm confused... Time to give em a call....

Either way I'd be set with both units, just some harness work....

SurraTT

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A Platinum Sport 1000 ecu has 4 injector outputs. i havent looked at it a lot but idk if it can control 2 intake cams either.



Id suggest the PNP Platinum Sport 350Z unit, like i linked one FS on the Z forums. Ive wired one up for a 4th gen full 3.5 swap and its bad ***!




BTW im still wondering if you plan to use a stock ecu??? If you dont have obd2 worries, and want to run a cable TB then id suggest the Platinum Sport 2000. Its more of a Standalone as it can control fuel pump, fans, etc..

aackshun

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Ah you're right, it must be the PNP Z33 Plat they're talking about then. I knew it was something Platinum Z33 and PNP just couldn't figure it out, so much ECU talk going on I was confuzzled, anywho, that's the unit we discussed and it covering what I need it to cover (6 INJ's, 6 Coils, CPS REF, CPS POS, Cam POS, My old VSS and TPS sensor and Launch Control).

SurraTT

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^ oh ok, i understand!!




Stock ecu?? lol PM me if u have to??

aackshun

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Nooo! No stockness in my car!

ampire

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Looks like you are well on your way dude

aackshun

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Thanks!

Ok now to clarify things up a bit.
- Haltech Platinum Sport 2000 w/ Harness (someone *coughcoughdarrencoughcough* is going to have to wire it to a 07 alty harness)
- 07+ Altima 3.5 with Harness
- Someone's Stage 2 cams (JWT, Crower, Tomei)
- Stock Z33 Injectors
- Minor Head Porting
- HR head gasket+Mod
- HR Head Bolts
- FPR Regulator
- Walbro 255lph
- ARP Rod Bolts

That's really it... keeping it pretty stock now to make room for Haltech's $$$$

From what I've seen, I do not think I will need to rev higher than 7200rpm but if I find a good deal on retainers and springs then well hell of course I'll get em.

Finish date... Yeahhhhh.... At the rate *isht keeps happening I'd be very lucky to make IFO in Dallas, but with the downs must come ups? Yeah... yeah...

SurraTT

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Now its getting gooooood!


You could save some major money by not even removing the heads. Since your keeping stock pistons n such. All that money and work just dont seem worth it to me. ESP on these heads. This aint that old DE stuff! Also you could do injectors and fuel pump later on. That would probably help out.


Do the 07 motor

You need to use HR type cams (signal plate bolts on then end of cam)

Z injectors, or some 380's

Arp rod bolts

Fuel pump

FPR

Haltech PS2k (with dual widebands, and gauge if u want)




BAD *** on a decent budget!



Biggest $$$ in order

Haltech
07 motor
Cams

aackshun

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You peep'd the order I see

Anywho, play the waiting game now, can't think of much else that can go wrong for me that has already....

Tranny, being fixed...
Exhaust, being fixed...
Motor mounts, being fixed....
Axles, purchased ANOTHER driver side already.... (passenger is still good!)\
I already got a ticket, and my car has already been hit, so all of the bad stuff has already happened to me! No more delaying (I hope)

Sooo.... Yeah.... car is waitin on a motor!

krazy6

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Looks like a good list to me.
Should run good.

mightyMax95

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q45 can be had for 50 and already has sensors and cc pulley

aackshun

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Too big IMO, more concerned about velocity at lower rpms right now.... I talked to some other guys (really only one nut thinks this so for an N/A application), it seems at WOT 90MM would be sufficient for a modded VQ35

mightyMax95

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80mm q tb is too large but you want to run a 90???

aackshun

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80MM is what I wanted, but other say 90 is fine, I think they are cray-crayyy.

But who says I'm sane? I'll probably give it a shot

ajm8127

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I don't think the diameter of the TB matters as much as the diameter and length of the tubing leading to it, as long as the TB doesn't create a restriction. Consider that the throttle body is only about 75-100mm long, and it flows directly into the plenum, which is a large volume relative to the diameter of the TB. If you increase the size of the TB, which is analogous to increasing the intake tubing size, by 10mm for only 75-100mm, I don't think there will be a large reduction in momentum when you consider the entire intake system.

Even if the TB is 90 instead of 80, there is going to be a long column of air in the intake tubing that contributes towards adding momentum to the charge for low end torque. If you want more momentum (though increasing velocity or mass), lower the intake tubing size or increase its length. Of course the flow losses increase with velocity and length, so that smaller, longer tubing will become a restriction as more air flows through it limiting high end hp.

Momentum = the velocity of the intake charge * the mass of the intake charge. The velocity is increased by decreasing the tubing size while the mass in increased by making the tubing longer, which creates a more massive column of moving air.

The trick about intakes and exhausts is not to think of them in a steady state. The volume of air flowing through them is changing as a function of the engine's rpm. So if you want your engine to feel torque-y at 2500 rpm, don't expect loads of hp at 6500 rpm. Not without having an intake/exhaust system that changes shape to maximize VE at all RPMs.

Bottom line: buy the damn q45 TB!

Crusher103

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JWT Cams>the other stuff.

JWT offers the most lift out of all the aftermarket cams offered: More lift=Better breathing

aackshun

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After having all of the xfactors laid out in front of me... Hell it's going on the list, I can work around having a Q45 TB by fancy intake work. It's nice seeing everything laid out in front of you, instead of thinking of one or two things, I can think of about 4 ways to work it out if just making an adapter and bolting it up doesn't work.

False, you oversimplified it too much.

You know how the 370z makes most of it's power? Extremely little lift and very long duration.

It's a combination of a TON of xfactors here.... Which is why I'm open to my cam choices.

MoncefA33

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There was an article somewhere about this in a magazine. I need to post it here.

Basically, a bolt-on DE 350Z made more power with JWT S1 cams than Tomeis, HKS, Brian Crowers, and a couple others...

aackshun

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It really doesn't matter though, tooooo many different x factors to consider with cams, even with fooling the intake alone the results of that test could have been dramatically different.

Unless you are referring to another test that I am unaware of and they dyno'd each cam in different intake setups, and different exhaust setups to truly see what is the best cam....

MoncefA33

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Chew on this for a minute.

http://www.modified.com/tech/modp-10...m/viewall.html

aackshun

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Ooohhh yah, that was the one I was referring to, I was hoping there was another more conclusive cam comparison, but that one just won't do it for me. The only thing that article proves is the limitations of stock cams and that there's a good amount of power to be made.

Doesn't prove anything about which cam is better, it doesn't even have BC on the list which is among the favorite for all of the local shops who work on Z33's here.

aackshun

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Well I WOULD be buying an Altima VQ35 this week... but ish happens.

I do get to goto KS again, that should be fun .

It should only be a two week set back, so hopefully in 2 weeks I should be in this position again and buying a 07-08 Altima 3.5 Motor.

Hell it's october... I don't need A/C.... I may just get the ECU... Osiris bypass, get a devil pedal and drop it in for Import faceoff.... Hrmm.....

krazy6

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Do it! Should be pretty legit!

aackshun

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All plans are off. I am pretty pissed @ how stupid I've been over the last week.

Next time you hear me talking about a VQ35 it will be under my hood though, but it won't be for a very, very long time.

Crusher103

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No, the 370Z has control over lift aswell as duration. At high RPM guaranteed it increase lift by quite a bit.

Duration: Determines where you make power
Lift: How much power you make

11.6mm is actually max lift the VVEL can make, and that is quite a bit. It use that at high RPM, it also retards the cam timing at low RPM so the long duration produce more torque and lowers the lift so the engine does not seem rough. This has been done for a long time, if you look at the cams a stock VG30E has, its a 264/264 with like a 8mm lift. The loads of HP&TQ it made.

aackshun

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I have heard completely the opposite on how it makes it's power.

Even though the logic on cams is what I hear over and over again, that's not what I'm disagreeing with, it's how the Z achieves that TQ curve with Duration and but in this game there are MANY ways to accomplish the same thing... thus the reason why there have been so many motors and cars made since the Model T.

aackshun

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Complete revamp:

02-03 Block
09 Maxima Pistons
.4 Cometic HG??
3.0L Timing+Electronics
Z33 Injectors
02-03 UIM
-NWP Block Off Plate
-Spacers from one of the two companies

Question:

How is it possible for the HR pistions to have clearance issues w/ the block when they are shorter than DE Pistons?? The rod lengths are the same for HR/DE/09 too... The 09 pistons appear (via FSM) to be even shorter... So now I'm really confused here

Also the cylinder block for the HR/DE are the same while the 09 is 20mm taller but with a shorter taper in section "a"

SurraTT

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I am disappointed


lol


GL with build man!!!